WTC Discussion: Core Column Temperature & Failure.

[stateofgrace]

Anti-science...yes, that is a good word to describe NIST's methods of investigation.

This is anti science?

Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs

Yet your unsubstantiated your tube claims is science.

Describe how the Towers were brought down by thermite.

Describe in detail your mathematics behind your way of reasoning.

Describe why I should believe you when you accuse NIST of being accomplice to mass murder.

Describe again your understanding of the construction of these Towers.

Describe how steel will not buckle when it is subject to excessive loads.

Describe the difference between a static and dynamic weight.

Just do something 28th other than spewing CT crap onto this forum and calling everybody liars.

Ps, aggle-rithm forget the thermite nails they are a non starter, you should invest in the thermite screws, a bit more expensive but well worth it.

 

[28th Kingdom]

As stated in my other thread...you are all Doublethinkers...and until you come back to reality, there is no way anyone can actually make a point to you.

What you are saying is that by looking at video and photographs...we can't determine the angle at which the upper mass on WTC 2 is tilted. We're not talking about colors now...so you can't hide behind some weak excuse like the contrast on the television is off. We're talking about using our eyes (lord I know...we're jumping into the land of speculation and non-science by doing this) to visually access the angle at which an object is tilted.

Even if we can't determine the exact degree, we can certainly calculate it to within a couple degrees. And those photographs clearly show the upper mass of WTC 2 is tilted at around a 35-40 degree angle just seconds after the collapse initiated. I proved NIST wrong, because they claim this upper mass is the force that was used to collapse the lower floors. If this upper mass isn't falling down on the lower floors, than the lower floors would stop collapsing. (according to NIST's theory)

The entire building (including the upper mass) disappears before it reaches the ground (obscured by dust clouds) so that is why we introduced the law of inertia, as a means to scientifically prove how the upper mass could not physically return back over the lower floors.

I know you find it hard to belief that I can scientifically disprove NIST's theory with a one minute video and 3 laws of motion....but, like I've told you all in the past...life is only as complex as we make it.

 

[Horatius]

So WTF were they supposed to do, build two 110 storey buildings and fly a coupla 150 ton jets into them?

Grow up.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This is what it wil take to convince most truthers.

And even then, there will be a few who claim we rigged it, or didn't address their particular brand of crazy.

 

[apathoid]

I know you find it hard to belief that I can scientifically disprove NIST's theory with a one minute video and 3 laws of motion....

Go for it.....

 

[Horatius]

Ps, aggle-rithm forget the thermite nails they are a non starter, you should invest in the thermite screws, a bit more expensive but well worth it.

Just what I'd expect from a shill for the thermite-screw industry. Stick with the thermite nails. They take a bit more work, but provide a nicer, more traditional look to your collapses.

 

[twinstead]

I know you find it hard to belief that I can scientifically disprove NIST's theory with a one minute video and 3 laws of motion....but, like I've told you all in the past...life is only as complex as we make it.

Dude. This is comedy gold.

You actually think you have scientifically disproved NIST's theory?

YIKES

 

[defaultdotxbe]

As stated in my other thread...you are all Doublethinkers...and until you come back to reality, there is no way anyone can actually make a point to you.

i know you are but what am i?




...yes, its childish, but can anyone think of a better time to use that one?

 

[Horatius]

...but, like I've told you all in the past...life is only as complex as we make it.

But, like I've told you in the past, life is complex, no matter how much dope you smoke trying to deny it.

 

[28th Kingdom]

Columns buckling inwards at the time and point of failure of the building structure.

When will you look at this? When will you explain how an explosive can pull columns inwards?

I'm glad you presented this...thanks. This is a complete optical illusion. What you are seeing is the smoke being sucked inward, right as the building starts to collapse. It makes it look like the building just caved inward, but notice the white side of the tower right below the smoke. It never moves inward.

The entire piece of the building (that you think you see caving inward) is completely covered in smoke...the smoke gets sucked inwards...so it makes it look like the building was sucked inward...but again, you never see any part of the white exterior going in.

 

[twinstead]

We're debating cult members here, it appears.

28th Kingdom I actually envy you. You live in a world where one doesn't have to worry about reality, where one can be totally wrong but never even know it, and to top it all off, one can be arrogant about that fact!

And as icing on the cake, you get to accuse anybody who disagrees with you of being EXACTLY what you are.

Some people get to have all the fun.

 

[apathoid]

I'm glad you presented this...thanks. This is a complete optical illusion. What you are seeing is the smoke being sucked inward, right as the building starts to collapse. It makes it look like the building just caved inward, but notice the white side of the tower right below the smoke. It never moves inward.

28th Kingdom debunked by none other than 28th Kingdom.......yet again.

 

[Firestone]

I'm glad you presented this...thanks. This is a complete optical illusion. What you are seeing is the smoke being sucked inward, right as the building starts to collapse. It makes it look like the building just caved inward, but notice the white side of the tower right below the smoke. It never moves inward.

The entire piece of the building (that you think you see caving inward) is completely covered in smoke...the smoke gets sucked inwards...and it looks like the building was sucked inwards..but again, you never see any part of the white exterior going in.

All your case is mainly built on cherry picked videos, but the videos that help disprove your "theories" are optical illusions!

 

[28th Kingdom]

i know you are but what am i?

I'm so glad you showed up. Look, I have a little present for you:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RzwmD8uB8g

Remember, how you said the outer columns failed...and the trusses remained attached to them? Well, here is NIST's own computer simulation...and looky at what happens when the outer columns break. Whoopsie.

 

[apathoid]

We're debating cult members here, it appears.

28th Kingdom I actually envy you. You live in a world where one doesn't have to worry about reality, where one can be totally wrong but never even know it, and to top it all off, one can be arrogant about that fact!

And as icing on the cake, you get to accuse anybody who disagrees with you of being EXACTLY what you are.

Some people get to have all the fun.

Don't worry, he doesnt actually believe any of this. Check out the Freudian slip(or is it doublethink) above.....

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

I'm glad you presented this...thanks. This is a complete optical illusion. What you are seeing is the smoke being sucked inward, right as the building starts to collapse. It makes it look like the building just caved inward, but notice the white side of the tower right below the smoke. It never moves inward.

The entire piece of the building (that you think you see caving inward) is completely covered in smoke...the smoke gets sucked inwards...and it looks like the building was sucked inwards..but again, you never see any part of the white exterior going in.

You can claim anything you want, but the perimeter columns clearly buckle in at the lowest fire floor where the collapse initiated.

 

[HeyLeroy]

As stated in my other thread...you are all Doublethinkers...and until you come back to reality, there is no way anyone can actually make a point to you.

At least we're thinking.

What you are saying is that by looking at video and photographs...we can't determine the angle at which the upper mass on WTC 2 is tilted. We're not talking about colors now...so you can't hide behind some weak excuse like the contrast on the television is off. We're talking about using our eyes (lord I know...we're jumping into the land of speculation and non-science by doing this) to visually access the angle at which an object is tilted.

Uh, that's just you saying that we're saying this.

Many have said it before, but it's not sinking in with you. Videos and photos are not scientific proof of anything!

You're 100% right! Using your eyes to visually access (sic) (assess?) is speculation and non-science!

Even if we can't determine the exact degree, we can certainly calculate it to within a couple degrees. And those photographs clearly show the upper mass of WTC 2 is tilted at around a 35-40 degree angle just seconds after the collapse initiated. I proved NIST wrong, because they claim this upper mass is the force that was used to collapse the lower floors. If this upper mass isn't falling down on the lower floors, than the lower floors would stop collapsing. (according to NIST's theory)

So what's your speculative, non-scientific accessment? You say you're accurate

...to within a couple degrees.

But in the very next sentence, you state

...the upper mass of WTC 2 is tilted at around a 35-40 degree angle...

So is that range 35 degrees, minus two, to 40 degrees, plus two?

The entire building (including the upper mass) disappears before it reaches the ground (obscured by dust clouds) so that is why we introduced the law of inertia, as a means to scientifically prove how the upper mass could not physically return back over the lower floors.

Yup. Gotcha. Whatever. You'll have to speak a little less sciencey.

PS: So did that big chunk o' building fall inside the building's footprint, or outside?

I know you find it hard to belief that I can scientifically disprove NIST's theory with a one minute video and 3 laws of motion....but, like I've told you all in the past...life is only as complex as we make it.

Oh, no. I for one have complete confidence in your ability to completely disprove the NIST's 14,000+ page interim report with a one minute video. I base my unflinching support in your ability on the above sciencey-sounding statements you've made.

Go for it.....

Yeah, let's hear it!

Dude. This is comedy gold.

You actually think you have scientifically disproved NIST's theory?

YIKES

C'mon! He's got a one-minute video!

i know you are but what am i?

...yes, its childish, but can anyone think of a better time to use that one?

Oh, sure. you're just jealous 'cuz you don't have a one-minute video!

 

[Horatius]

I'm glad you presented this...thanks. This is a complete optical illusion. What you are seeing is the smoke being sucked inward, right as the building starts to collapse. It makes it look like the building just caved inward, but notice the white side of the tower right below the smoke. It never moves inward.

The entire piece of the building (that you think you see caving inward) is completely covered in smoke...the smoke gets sucked inwards...so it makes it look like the building was sucked inward...but again, you never see any part of the white exterior going in.

Now, I know you won't, but could you please explain how a building collapse sucks smoke into the building?

Or were you just sucking in some dope smoke while you wrote this?

 

[Bell]

People! 28th KingTroll is trying to act like the next Christophera, talking about doublethink, how we don't understand the truth, we can't answer his questions, and how he is able to percieve all the YouTube evidence, while we cannot.

I have to say, 28th KingTroll, nice job. Christophera should be proud of you, you're a good student. Now stop with this childish act and have a cookie.

 

[stateofgrace]

I'm glad you presented this...thanks. This is a complete optical illusion. What you are seeing is the smoke being sucked inward, right as the building starts to collapse. It makes it look like the building just caved inward, but notice the white side of the tower right below the smoke. It never moves inward.

The entire piece of the building (that you think you see caving inward) is completely covered in smoke...the smoke gets sucked inwards...so it makes it look like the building was sucked inward...but again, you never see any part of the white exterior going in.

This is your scientific analysis?It was an optical illusion?



(What´s even funnier is I remember Jessica rabbit saying exactly the same thing.)

 

[twinstead]

(What´s even funnier is I remember Jessica rabbit saying exactly the same thing.)

That's where I've heard that before. I knew it sounded familiar.

Do these people all read from the same paranoid's handbook?