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Wizard said:
So which was it and why did you choose the one that suited you more?
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I didn't choose one over the other I found the FDR angle after I posted, an eye-witness described the crash as an almost 90 deg angle and the FDR recovered at the crash site recorded a 40 (or maybe 45?) deg angle, I personally believe the FDR. Using the eye-witness angle and not the FDR angle of impact in hindsight was an error on my part.

Why do you think the plane shouldn't have buried itself 25 feet undergound and left a crater about 10 feet deep?
 
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Spins said:
I didn't choose one over the other I found the FDR angle after I posted, an eye-witness described the crash as an almost 90 deg angle and the FDR recovered at the crash site recorded a 40 (or maybe 45?) deg angle, I personally believe the FDR. Using the eye-witness angle and not the FDR angle of impact in hindsight was an error on my part.

Why do you think the plane shouldn't have buried itself 25 feet undergound and left a crater about 10 feet deep?
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Because I would expect said crater to be 25 feet deep
 
A 45 degree angle of impact would actually half the vertical component of the force of the planes impact.
 
Wizard said:
Could you find me a case where a plane buries itself underground like Flight 93 is supposed to have done?
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Yes! You could if you tried too.

The pitch angle on the FDR was -40 degrees. But the angle the plane hit at could be more or less. The FDR stopped before all the data was recorded. Flight 93 was in a decent that continued constantly to increase the pitch down in the last minute.

How much will you pay me to get you some photos of a hole where everyone is dead in the hole? If you would find them yourself you could save the embarrassing posts that lack facts.
 
beachnut said:
Yes! You could if you tried too.

The pitch angle on the FDR was -40 degrees. But the angle the plane hit at could be more or less. The FDR stopped before all the data was recorded. Flight 93 was in a decent that continued constantly to increase the pitch down in the last minute.

How much will you pay me to get you some photos of a hole where everyone is dead in the hole? If you would find them yourself you could save the embarrassing posts that lack facts.
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Could I see these cases please?
 
Wizard said:
Common sense and the lack of any precedent.

Planes have hit the ground at high speeds such as air show crashes where planes have failed to pull out of loops at the last minute
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are intentional plane crashes at 500mph common events?

if no, how does common sense apply?
 
Wizard said:
Because I would expect said crater to be 25 feet deep
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Were you expecting a globe shaped object or a meteor? The same characteristics that make an airplane aerodynamic allow it to slice into the ground without ejecting much earth. Do you remember the profile of the planes that hit the towers on the tower faces? Do you recall the impact of the second tower? How much debris was ejected from the south or impact face?
 
That is good work Mark. I could tell your frustration though. There is just simply not enough time to get out all of the facts. It is especially frustrating when you do present all of the facts, simply for them to respond "Well I don't buy that."
 
David Wong said:
Host: "Now, many critics have accused the Bush administration of ignoring warnings prior to the 9/11 attacks about Islamic terrorism. Do you think that's fair?"

Bermas and Dylan: "Oh, absolutely, absolutely."





Does somebody have a gif of a smiley's head exploding? Because I need it here. Talking about wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

"Bush ignored warning signs that the 9/11 attacks were coming from Islamic terrorists! Also, Bush performed the attacks! And the Islamic terrorists didn't attack! So he ignored the warnings about the attacks that didn't happen and that he actually performed himself!!!!!"
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Oh, that's when your head asploded, too? I thought that was just me...
 
geni said:
The britsh tallboy couldn't break Mach 2 but it could penitrate 16 ft of concrete or at least 60 feet of soil. The plane wasn't designed for quite the same ground penetrating performance so only bits of it managed 25 feet.
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geni, I'm not familiar with this. Do you have any links?
 
Wizard said:
Could you find me a case where a plane buries itself underground like Flight 93 is supposed to have done?
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Can you please show me a case where a plane has been hijacked and flown at high speed into the ground and not buried itself underground.

Thanks in advance.

Well done Mark.
 
I still can't figure out how they weave the ISI connection into their theories. It would be interesting to hear where they stand on the taxonomy questions these days. They believe Arabs were on the planes, but meek and mild Arabs, but they also apparently believe that the head of the ISI had $100,000 wired to Mohammed Atta. For what purpose? Was it, "Here's a hundred thou and I'll send more if you'll just take Flight 11 out of Boston on 9-11-01,"?
 
stateofgrace said:
Can you please show me a case where a plane has been hijacked and flown at high speed into the ground and not buried itself underground.

Thanks in advance.

Well done Mark.
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How is the hijacking relevant?

Beachnut says he has seen cases of planes burying themselves so I am waiting to see them
 
20 minutes in...

I kinda feel sorry for Dylan. I think he was just a silly kid with big dreams who came up with a crazy idea, and it turned into a monster when those around him believed it. He obviously doesn't believe any of it, judging by this interview.

-Gumboot
 
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