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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

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the bureau of transportation statistics cannot be trusted because they are a government agency, but their records proove flights 11 and 77 didnt exist
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I didn't know it was a government site when I first linked to that resource. Doublethink would be something like: this government agency is trustworthy...and no, this government agency isn't trustworthy. I didn't know it was originally a government agency. But, also...I say the mainstream media lies A LOT...but, then I might link to a mainstream media piece as evidence for one of my claims. See, I am forced to engage in some form of doublethink, because you all have a contradictory belief to mine, which states that the mainstream media tells the truth A LOT...thus, I must conform to your bizarro world, in order to connect with you and get a point across.
rumsfeld cannot be trusted because he planned 9/11, but he was telling the truth when he said 93 was shot down
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Rumsfield..is the one on record as engaging in doublethink...and that's the whole point I made...whether you want to believe the shot down version or the passenger version...he said both - as to completely entrance you.
norad was stood down on 9/11, but maanaged to shoot down flight 93 anyway, even though they had no planes in the area
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NORAD isn't one person...NORAD is a group of many individuals...so even if Dick Cheney gave NORAD the stand down which he did...one of the individuals in NORAD could have easily disobeyed orders...and shot down Flight 93.
bush cannot be trusted because he helped plan 9/11, but he was telling the truth when he said hes trying to connect iqaq to the war on terror
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Again...you are defending a man who frequently engages in doublethink. The whole point is that Bush is on record as saying both - Iraq is connected to the war on terror...and Iraq is not connected to the war on terror.
 
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boloboffin said:
You know something?

It's all about impressions. 28th kingdom has kept a thread entitled This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER! kicked for several days now. If you were really looking for answers, which thread would you first open when you came to JREF's Conspiracy Theory forum?

Now he's gone into full-blown seed spreading mode - printing the most scattered and noxious lies about 9/11, responding only to the ones he wants, while letting us respond to whatever we want - a mishmash of purpose, with absolutely no point but confusion.

Trollery at its finest. He demonstrates no real intent to discuss anything. He only appears happy to keep feeding on the attention we give him. Troll, troll, troll.

Goodbye, 28th.
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i think its funny thatr anythign he says is debunked within minutes (and of course any fencesitters reading this thread will see that) and yet he keeps coming

hes like one of those inflatable clowns with the sand at the bottom, everytime you knock it down it pops right back up, lol
 
I suspect that he's got so many people on ignore he's posting to himself.

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I have enjoyed lurking on this thread and reading the complete destruction of 28IQs posts. It is no longer entertaining. It is more than sad to see such a delusional individual like 28th miss the point over and over again. It was funny, it isn't any more. I urge you to get some professional help 28th. Good luck to you. I will not return here to gawk at your shredded remains. I'll see the rest of you on another thread.
 
28th Kingdom said:
In the past, Rumsfield has said...that Flight 93 was brought down by the passengers. So Rummy is on record as saying this:

Flight 93 was shot down....and Flight 93 wasn't shot down.

Doublethink. These are our leaders.
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28th Kingdom said:
I think the one glitch in US Operation 911 - was flight 93's (drone plane) failure to reach it's target. I think it was shot down by NORAD before it had a chance to crash into WTC 7. (That's why I say WTC 7 is the smoking gun, because it collapsed without a plane impact)

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But, ultimately...someone from NORAD did manage to catch up and shoot down Fight 93. Rumsfield, even admits Flight 93 was shot down:
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You think that the plan all along was to crash flight 93 into WTC7, but due to a glitch, it was actually shot down by NORAD.

Why then did the conspirators start telling everyone that it was brought down by the passengers? Obviously, since they intended for it to hit WTC7, they would not have had a story ready to go explaining it's crash in the middle of nowhere, so why not simply use the real story? Why not just tell everybody that NORAD did its job?

Why make up a fake story, when the truth is perfectly adequate to explain the crash? Why make up a fake story that could be subject to debunking, when all the real evidence is available, and still doesn't betray your guilt? Why make up a fake story about dead heros, when you have a real, live hero (the NORAD pilot) you can send around to the talk shows and mall openings?

Why make up a fake story that paints the entire billion-dollar defence system of North America as a huge waste of money? Why not tell the truth, which shows people that the government can protect them, since increasing government influence it what they were after?

Are they just such uncontrolable liars that they'll lie even when the don't need to? That they'll lie even when the truth is more useful to them than a lie?
 
28th Kingdom said:
See, I am forced to engage in some form of doublethink, because you all have a contradictory belief to mine, which states that the mainstream media tells the truth A LOT...thus, I must conform to your bizarro world, in order to connect with you and get a point across.
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see, thats where we are different from you, we dont paint entire industries (like the media) with one brush "mainstream media" in itself is neither trustworthy nor not trustworthy, different media outlets have earned different reputations for being trustworthy or not, as have individuals

same applies to the government, you cant say "the government is not trustworthy" this soemthign you have to determine for individuals within the government (coincidently its our duty as voters to fill the government with trustworthy individuals, but you probably think democracy is a conspiracy too)
 
Horatius said:
Are they just such uncontrolable liars that they'll lie even when the don't need to? That they'll lie even when the truth is more useful to them than a lie?
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In 28K world everyone lies but only he has the mental capacity to see through the lies.......

...what is it perry says about white guys with low IQ's? :cool:
 
uk_dave said:
In 28K world everyone lies but only he has the mental capacity to see through the lies.......

...what is it perry says about white guys with low IQ's? :cool:
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That they're all upstanding individuals that we should all swear loyalty to?

Wait, no, that doesn't sound right......
 
i think i should point out (because its the first and probably only time it will happen) but 28th Kingdom has proven a JREFer wrong

he did not in fact have me on ignore (he was just ignoring me)
 
Horatius said:
You think that the plan all along was to crash flight 93 into WTC7, but due to a glitch, it was actually shot down by NORAD.

Why then did the conspirators start telling everyone that it was brought down by the passengers? Obviously, since they intended for it to hit WTC7, they would not have had a story ready to go explaining it's crash in the middle of nowhere, so why not simply use the real story? Why not just tell everybody that NORAD did its job?

Why make up a fake story, when the truth is perfectly adequate to explain the crash? Why make up a fake story that could be subject to debunking, when all the real evidence is available, and still doesn't betray your guilt? Why make up a fake story about dead heros, when you have a real, live hero (the NORAD pilot) you can send around to the talk shows and mall openings?

Why make up a fake story that paints the entire billion-dollar defence system of North America as a huge waste of money? Why not tell the truth, which shows people that the government can protect them, since increasing government influence it what they were after?

Are they just such uncontrolable liars that they'll lie even when the don't need to? That they'll lie even when the truth is more useful to them than a lie?
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Good point. I need to sharpen my debunking skills.

Not that they are actually required in this thread.

Thanks 28k, you are providing excellent novice debunking training.

You are like the seal a killer whale will toy with so the young ones can learn how to hunt.
 
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Ok this thread was going to change the way people looked at 911 for ever. So for all the rational sane people here is a summary of the way 28th would like you to see 911.

WTC 1 was demolished using thermite.
WTC 2 was demolished using thermite.
WTC 7 was demolished using thermite.
Flight 93 was shot down.
Flight 77 was a drone
Flight 93 was a drone
Flight 11 was a drone
Flight 175 was a drone.
They all had no passengers onboard.
All the phone calls were fake.
NIST are lying.
NORAD is lying.
The USG is so evil it will kill 3000 of their own.
The Patriot act is part of it all and designed to take away your liberties.
Secret death squads will kidnap you and execute you very soon, for speaking out.
Iraq was invaded because, or maybe part of 911.
NORAD stood down a bit, but stood up to shoot down the drone Flight 93.
Drone Flight 93 was targeted at WTC 7, even though it was heading towards Washington.
Al Quada is not real.
Islamic fundamentalism is not real.
Al Quada is just a guy in a cave.
UBL is not a terrorist.
The mastermind of 911 who is actually in US custody is not a terrorist.
The NWO is taking over.

Finally he cares.

Ok before death by kittens has anybody, I mean anybody changed the way they view 911?
 
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Actually, it's given me more confidence that these people will never really become mainstream. Instead they'll just wither and die. So to speak.
 
Donald Rumsfeld Doublespeak

I'm new to posting though have been lurking the forums for a while and following this thread since its inception. It's mindblowing how much you guys know and how quickly you can reference hard evidence to refute CT splattergun techniques. Kudos all round.

Regarding the infamous Rumsfeld 'shot down' speech, UK sceptics may remember (I hope I'm getting it right) the BBC Radio 4 programme Broadcasting House (Saturday mornings 9-10am) which used to have a Donald Rumsfeld Soundbite of the Week slot. This always had DR engaging in incomprehensible/garbled speech which few if any could make sense of, simply because the man is self-evidently neither articulate nor nimble of thought. From my knowledge of Rumsfeld, I have no doubt of his ability to mangle any sentence whether speaking either off-the-cuff or from an autocue. To hang the substance of a CT on Rumsfeld saying 'shot down' instead of 'brought down' or whatever is clutching at straws.

Hope this is of some interest.
 
Welcome, Pappy.

A warning, however. To engage 28th, Submarine, or ChristopherA in discussion is a waste of time and a threat to your sanity.
 
Pappy Jack said:
I'm new to posting though have been lurking the forums for a while and following this thread since its inception. It's mindblowing how much you guys know and how quickly you can reference hard evidence to refute CT splattergun techniques. Kudos all round.

Regarding the infamous Rumsfeld 'shot down' speech, UK sceptics may remember (I hope I'm getting it right) the BBC Radio 4 programme Broadcasting House (Saturday mornings 9-10am) which used to have a Donald Rumsfeld Soundbite of the Week slot. This always had DR engaging in incomprehensible/garbled speech which few if any could make sense of, simply because the man is self-evidently neither articulate nor nimble of thought. From my knowledge of Rumsfeld, I have no doubt of his ability to mangle any sentence whether speaking either off-the-cuff or from an autocue. To hang the substance of a CT on Rumsfeld saying 'shot down' instead of 'brought down' or whatever is clutching at straws.

Hope this is of some interest.
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yeah, theres another CT chestnut where rumsfeld "admits" in parade magazine that the pentagon was hit by a missile

and welcome to the forum :)
 
Architect said:
Welcome, Pappy.

A warning, however. To engage 28th, Submarine, or ChristopherA in discussion is a waste of time and a threat to your sanity.
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So I've noticed (especially with regard to the deafening silence in response to your own posts), but thanks for the heads up. Not so much an attempt to engage in debate, though, as a passing thought tossed into the maelstrom of absurdity that passes for rational argument from these guys.
 
Broadcasting House

Oh, and I've just remembered that Broadcasting House goes out during the 9-10am slot on Sundays, not Saturdays. Sorry.
 
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