This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

[28th Kingdom]

If and when most of us can agree...that a therma/ite substance had to be present in the buildings...than we can move along and discuss how it might of been used in the demolitions of the towers. If you are saying therma/ite isn't in the building, than it's pointless for me to try and explain how therma/ite may of been used to cut the core columns.

Thanks.

 

[JonnyFive]

If we can't all agree that I scientifically proved that a substance like therma/ite had to be in the buildings in order to generate the heat required to produce the molten metal seen in the towers, than there is no need to move along to how therma/ite could cut a vertical beam.

First off, you haven't proven it was molten steel at all. Secondly, you haven't proven that it had anything to do with thermite. Thirdly, your whole argument presupposes that thermite was used to bring down the towers, and you certainly haven't proven that.

Thermite being able to cut through the girders is a requirement for your original thermite-based argument to work. You haven't proven this, so you haven't proven your argument.

If you want to argue that thermite brought down the towers (which you originally claimed), then it is a necessary condition that thermite be able to sever a vertical girder in the manner you indicated. Otherwise thermite could not possibly have brought anything down.

 

[uk_dave]

If we can't all agree that I scientifically proved that a substance like therma/ite had to be in the buildings in order to generate the heat required to produce the molten metal seen in the towers, than there is no need to move along to how therma/ite could cut a vertical beam.

You mean failing to prove one theory leads you to decline to attempt to prove another theory?

Progress!

 

[babazaroni]

If and when most of us can agree...that a therma/ite substance had to be present in the buildings...than we can move along and discuss how it might of been used in the demolitions of the towers. If you are saying therma/ite isn't in the building, than it's pointless for me to try and explain how therma/ite may of been used to cut the core columns.

Thanks.

It's not pointless. If you can show that thermite can cut a vertical column, we can then think,

Wow, thermite can cut a vertical column. Let's take a closer look at this issue.

Part of your proof that thermite was in the buildings was that it had cut the steel columns you showed us.

Remember, you are trying to convince us. It's fair that we try to convince you.

 

[tsire]

Are you analyzing the facts I presented...or are you too busy analyzing me and my education level?

Why don't you directly address my claims, instead personally attacking my credibility.

Why dont you address the people who are making claims instead of focusing on the ones who arent.

And FYI, there was a point being made in what you quoted. Why didnt you answer the question.

And just to let you know, you have actually stuck with this thread longer then most would expect. Kudos.

I really wonder though, would all the time you spent replying to these posts have been better spent actually researching WTC7? You know at 42 some pages that this thread it, you could have read any one of the countless articles on WTC 7, or could have furthered your education with relevant subjects like structural engineering or physics. Not only would you be more intelligent afterwords, you would also then yourself realize yourself that WTC7 was not brought down by a CD.

 

[beachnut]

If we can't all agree that I scientifically proved that a substance like therma/ite had to be in the buildings in order to generate the heat required to produce the molten metal seen in the towers, than there is no need to move along to how therma/ite could cut a vertical beam.

I read the news today oh, boy
About 28th boy who made up lies
And though his lies were rather sad
Well, I just had to LOL
I saw the photograph
It was a beam cut by a torch
He didn't notice the cut was a fraud
A crowd of people tried to tell him
They'd heard his lie before
Nobody was really sure if he was from KinderCare

I saw some lies today oh, boy
28th had just lied some more
A crowd of people told him so
But 28th has to lie
Having read his lies
28th loves to lie

Woke up, got out of bed
Dragged my finger across keyboard
Found my next youTube to post to them
And looking up, I posted two more
Found the video and posted a lie
Made no effort to read their stuff
Found more youtube junk and posted them
Somebody spoke but I ignore them just the same
Ah

I read the news today oh, boy
I post real lies you know all day
Four thousand holes in blackburn, Lancashire
Four thousand posts of real bad lies are here
And though the lies were rather small
He had to lie some more

Now they know how many lies it takes to fill a liars hall
28th loves to lie

 

[Arus808]

If we can't all agree that I scientifically proved that a substance like therma/ite had to be in the buildings in order to generate the heat required to produce the molten metal seen in the towers, than there is no need to move along to how therma/ite could cut a vertical beam.

since you haven't done anything scientific, asking us that if we dont agree with something you didn't do in the first place and then taking that as a sign of sort of victory on your part, is simply self serving.

 

[beachnut]

Are you analyzing the facts I presented...or are you too busy analyzing me and my education level?

Why don't you directly address my claims, instead of personally attacking my credibility.

Stop playing around and present you next set of lies you call facts.

Please

Your education level is only interesting because you have failed to make a case, yet you are delusional in thinking you have.

Yes we found you have no facts, so your points are not made.

 

[babazaroni]

If and when most of us can agree...that a therma/ite substance had to be present in the buildings...than we can move along and discuss how it might of been used in the demolitions of the towers. If you are saying therma/ite isn't in the building, than it's pointless for me to try and explain how therma/ite may of been used to cut the core columns.

Thanks.

Part of your proof that thermite was in the buildings were the pictures of vertical steel columns that you said were cut by thermite.

If we can agree that thermite cannot cut vertical columns, then we can move on to your other proof of thermite in the buildings.

Thanks

 

[beachnut]

If and when most of us can agree...that a therma/ite substance had to be present in the buildings...than we can move along and discuss how it might of been used in the demolitions of the towers. If you are saying therma/ite isn't in the building, than it's pointless for me to try and explain how therma/ite may of been used to cut the core columns.

Thanks.

No one agrees.

Everyone knows thermite is not used.

Yes --- thermite was not in the building.

 

[stateofgrace]

If and when most of us can agree...that a therma/ite substance had to be present in the buildings...than we can move along and discuss how it might of been used in the demolitions of the towers. If you are saying therma/ite isn't in the building, than it's pointless for me to try and explain how therma/ite may of been used to cut the core columns.

Thanks.

Get on with it.

How did your magical thermite cut this vertical beam ?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Are you analyzing the facts I presented...or are you too busy analyzing me and my education level?

Why don't you directly address my claims, instead of personally attacking my credibility.

All right, I'll address the claim that you have proved scientifically that thermite was in the towers.

In order to do this, you would have to (at the very least!) explain how your evidence is relevant. The video of a molten substance flowing from the perimeter of the tower is a key piece of evidence. In order to prove it relevant you would have to do the following:

1. Show that a thermite reaction could produce a river of molten material that stays liquid long enough to travel the 60 feet from the columns to the perimeter.

2. Show that there was a material present sturdy enough to contain the river of molten material at these high temperatures (otherwise, of course, the material would have flowed straight down instead of across to the perimeter).

3. Show that there is no other substance (not metal, but substance!) that would have the properties of the liquid we see. You believe that you have proven it can't be aluminum, but are you sure it couldn't be glass? Or salt? Both can appear to have a reddish glow at fairly low temperatures.

These would need to be done before you could even begin to consider other questions, such as how the thermite was deployed, how it was kept from damage during the fire, why anyone inside the government would want to destroy a building that would adversely affect the economy and thus reduce his grip on power, not strengthen it, and how all this cockamamie nonsense could possibly be put together in a coherent narrative that explains 9/11 better than the so-called "official story".

 

[JonnyFive]

Ladies and gentlemen, the thermite has left the building!

Please provide evidence of your claims, 28K. Evasiveness will not convince us of anything.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

If and when most of us can agree...that a therma/ite substance had to be present in the buildings...than we can move along and discuss how it might of been used in the demolitions of the towers. If you are saying therma/ite isn't in the building, than it's pointless for me to try and explain how therma/ite may of been used to cut the core columns.

Thanks.

It is directly relevant to your claim. If you can not show that thermite can be used to make a non-vertical cut then your claims are directly undermined.

 

[JimBenArm]

You know, this thread is going pretty much like the Cristophera thread, except I think we'll get to 10K posts sooner.

Wait, I just figured it out! That's what Macaroon is up to! He saw the post count on the other thread, and wants to see if he can not only be crazier than ol' Chris, but get to 10K faster!

Only thing that makes sense.

 

[Arus808]

I love the double standard that 28th uses

Demands proof from us. But when asked to provide proof, he claims that we have to answer his questions first.

 

[Horatius]

If and when most of us can agree...that a therma/ite substance had to be present in the buildings...than we can move along and discuss how it might of been used in the demolitions of the towers. If you are saying therma/ite isn't in the building, than it's pointless for me to try and explain how therma/ite may of been used to cut the core columns.

Thanks.

Fair enough, then. Can we close this thread, then?

Because the chances of you proving that there ever was thermite/mate in the building on the basis of a video taken by an uncalibrated camera, which couldn't reproduce colours perfectly accurately in any case, and on the basis of confilicting reports of "liquid metal", and on the basis of a few pictures of glowing stuff, are almost nil.

 

[FramerDave]

If and when most of us can agree...that a therma/ite substance had to be present in the buildings...than we can move along and discuss how it might of been used in the demolitions of the towers. If you are saying therma/ite isn't in the building, than it's pointless for me to try and explain how therma/ite may of been used to cut the core columns.

Thanks.

A few days or so ago you stated without qualification that devices exist that channel thermite, or shape it somehow, so that it could cut a vertical beam.

I asked you very nicely, even putting sugar on top, to show us such a device. You have not done so.

I can only conclude that you have no proof of such devices and are dodging my question. Besides that, you stating that thermite was used to cut the vertical columns is what led to that exchange. Isn't it a bit disingenuous to now say that it's pointless?

So once more, please, show us some pictures or proof of a device which will allow thermite to cut a vertical comlumn. Please.

 

[CurtC]

If and when most of us can agree...that a therma/ite substance had to be present in the buildings...than we can move along and discuss how it might of been used in the demolitions of the towers. If you are saying therma/ite isn't in the building, than it's pointless for me to try and explain how therma/ite may of been used to cut the core columns.

In case you're not familiar with Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit, one of the items on that list is "If there is a chain of argument every link in the chain must work."

What you're proposing, that 9/11 was an inside job because thermite was used to take out the core columns, would rely on a chain of argument that includes several links:

• That there is evidence that thermite was present
• That there is a way that thermite can cut vertical columns
• That the thermite could have been placed in the building without anyone noticing
• That the thermite could have survived the crash and ensuing fires without the proposed column-cutting technology being damaged
• That the thermite placement and places where the planes crashed could have been controlled to be in the same spots

There are others, but that's good enough for now.

So if any one of the items on this list doesn't hold up to scrutiny, it destroys your claim. So far, you've been trying to prove the first one, though unsuccessfully. We've been trying to convince you that your assertions about it are far from proved.

Seeing the stall, we can now demolish your argument by showing that the second item on the list has no evidence. Apparently, there isn't any way to use thermite to cut a vertical column.

 

[~enigma~]

What didn't the blues have to do with 9/11?


"Oh, I got me these plane crashing, LIHOP bashing blues....."

Somebody should write LIHOP/MIHOP lyrics to one of BB Kings songs