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Some simple Tower 7 questions

Wizard said:
They have:

Ted Elden who is an architect.

Jack Keller who is a Civil Engineer.

Joseph M Phelps who is a Civil Engineer

Doyle Winterton who is a Civil Engineer.

Plus numerous Phd Physicists and Mathematicions so the bolded statement above is totally false.
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Wow. They have 0.00067 pecent of all Engineers in the United States!

If there was something wrong with 9/11 most engineers would be all over it!

Go join the Scholars and help them out; They mainly need some facts.
 
Wizard said:
What about the ones who arent just posting on forums and have expert knowledge in certain fields? I would give the example of Bob Bowman.

He has a Phd in Aerospace and Nuclear engineering. He flew 100 missions as a fighter pilot. He was even head of the star wars program. What, in your opinion, are his motives for believing an inside job?
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He appears as a NUT. Did you really look up this guy? He must be having major problems also, he has no facts.

Bob must of pulled one too many gs in his fighter plane. He has not offered a fact, not one.

Sorry, but if you could find a fact he has, I will retract my statement that he is a nut. But since he has no facts, he is a nut case on 9/11 stuff.

He needs no motives; he is nuts. This is what you call people who have no facts, they just talk, and present no facts, just talk.

Poor Bob, I wrote to his campaign and told him to drop the CT nut case stuff. He was not elected, oh well!
 
R.Mackey said:
Wizard, you seemed to like my point about qualifications being irrelevant.

So how about it? Are you going to point us to evidence that the accepted story is a lie?

Or are your unfounded beliefs all that you've got?
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The chairman of the 9/11 Commision admitted that they were lied to.
 
Wizard said:
Doesn't matter. They were lied to so if they can be lied to about one thing I can't trust the official version
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So if one person lied to the commission you can't believe any account that's connected to the government, no matter where it comes from?

Wouldn't it better to try an use some analytical skills to assess the testimony and the evidence?

Also "inside job" is an alternative hypothesis you can't just pick holes in the consensus view and then declare that it must be an inside job - not unless you want to join the intellectual ranks of the Holocaust Deniers and the Intelligent Design Advocates. You have to come up with a plausible hypothesis and test it against the evidence. It would help if you start by agreeing on a hypothesis.

What does this have to do with WTC7, anyway?

If you want to discuss the commission report, I suggest you use the search function to find an existing thread on it and post there. If you can't find a thread, you can start a new one.
 
maccy said:
And surely it's too chaotic to be able to reproduce in any detail?
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The entire collapse yes. All one need model though is the first 6 meters (two floors worth) If the collapse shows no sign of slowing over that distance then it certainly is not going to further down.

However, since the mass of the upper portion collapsed upon the next lower floor and that level also collapsed it stands to reason that the falling mass was then moving even faster when it hits the next further down level after that.

Since E=0.5mv2 if the amount of mass is reduced by half (an exaggeration mind you) by falling off and outside the tower at the next level, you would still have the same amount of K.E. available if the velocity was just 40% greater.

The average accelleration of the collapse was about 7.8 m/s2 (405 meters in 10.2 seconds using the shortest time of collapse estimate)
Using this as the acelleration then the velocity after the initial drop of 3 m was 6.8 m/s. After an additional drop of 3 m it would be 9.7 m/s , an increase of 42%.

By this quick estimation, if the initial collapse contained enough energy to cause the collapse of the next lower level then the falling mass would have to be reduced by more than 50% in order for the collapse to slow down let alone stop.

As the collapse then proceeds the falling mass increases in velocity and an even greater percentage of falling mass must be lost in order to slow the collapse. The greatest amount of mass was contained in the occupied floor space and the core. The perimeter columns fell away mostly as the bulk of falling mass within the perimeter exerted pressure outward on them.

This assumes a pristine condition of the lower floors as well but the massive vibration would have been transmitted down all columns at the speed of sound in steel(greater than the speed of sound in air) possibly breaking connections well in advance of the collapse and thus weakening those floors before the collapse reaches them.

Yeah, the short answer is that once the collapse had progressed more than one floor it was gonna take a miracle to stop it.

What does this have to do with WTC7, anyway?
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Oh yeah, this thread is about #7. Isn't it Wizard?
 
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Wizard said:
Doesn't matter. They were lied to so if they can be lied to about one thing I can't trust the official version
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How convenient. Not surprising though. I assume you reached the same conclusions about Loose Change, Dylan Avery and his band of misfits, the Loose Change forum, Jones, etc.
 
Wizard said:
I dont think any of those deliberately lie
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They all lie all the time. LC video is a fraud, it was fiction turned money for Dylan. Dylan has to keep up the misinformation to make money.

You brought up some real nut cases that have no facts. Why do you use nut cases like Bob star wars old pilot guy to try to make points?

Simple facts will do best; not political hearings trying to blame people.

When you mentioned Star War Bob, you pretty much throw out all possibilities, to me, that you may have anything near factual to tell anyone.
 
Wizard said:
That was Korey Rowe. I believe he was being sarcastic and they have since said that it was not true
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close enough, it was one of the stooges

so how do you know they arent lying now about it to keep themselves from lookign foolish?
 
Wizard said:
That was Korey Rowe. I believe he was being sarcastic and they have since said that it was not true
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Wrong, Bermas said there were errors! (darn the thing was fiction, Dylan said so; LC video itself is proof it is fiction)

Now Dylan says it started out as fiction, and he has now said, for damage control Bermas was not correct saying Dylan's work of fiction has errors.

Why defend the most error filled CT video ever produced?
 
DavidJames said:
Of course not. :rolleyes: Tell me. Does your hat have the shiny or dull side facing out?
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Was there any need for that? Don't worry. I won't lower myself to your level by hurling insults.

If you are so convinced they are lying, name some specific deliberate lies they have told
 
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