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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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I think it detected that the image has not been photoshopped.

It is not the clearest of images, but adequate for the human eye and brain (critical part) to know that we are looking at a concrete wall adjacent to a steel column.

Photoshop has nothing to do with it. Neither the human eye nor an image processing program can detect any boundary that would be the top of the wall, so it's pretty safe to say that the image does not show a wall. If there is a wall, it's totally obscured by dust/smoke, and would be too thin to be the core.
 
Of that size and strength, yes, unless there is somethign very obvious and LOCAL to the specific failure. So,......... when it falls all the way to the ground,

Again, proving you know nothing of construction.

This is common knowledge of ground zero, a great deal of the big steel was a perfect maximum length for loading onto trucks. Either you are informed or you are not.

Yes, indeed. the steel was a perfect maximum length for loading onto trucks. Can't you think of a non-nefarious reason why that is ? I can think of two:

1) If was cut by the cleanup crew. We can clearly see several pictures of them doing it, and we KNOW that no explosive could produce such a clean cut.

2) They were MADE at that length, because they had to be hauled TO the construction site BY trucks. It's only logical that the joints would fail first, so you end up with those sections, again.

See ? That wasn'T hard.

The term would governmentally approved authority. Remember, that is what is in question here.

Oh, so all experts are in on it because they're part of the system. Sounds like layman-aspiring-to-become-the-new-elite talk to me.

Recall, ...... government removed evidence from the scene of a crime before private investigations into collapse (sic) were conducted.

I also recall that that's not true.

When something as impossible as a 10 second collapse brings a tower down, the entire world of structural engineers is not only allowed, they are INVITED to help understand exactly what happened. that is what happens in a rightful and lawful society.

Yes, and that should tell you something about your theory.

Have you ever had such a joke with such meaningful aspects to everyone played upon you?

No. My lack of experience in these matters does not mean it cannot happen. I've seen some very convincing, and some very sick, April's fool jokes.

My description of Robersons comment makes much more sense AFTER your denial of evidence showing a concrete core.

Evidence ? Haven't seen any. And I know this, consciously.

Perhaps, but reading between the lines is a skill based in tangibility.

Reading "between the lines" is not something you do in an investigation. Otherwise you can put anything you want "between the lines".

For example, how would you feel under these conditions if somebody blew up the building you had designed then threatened you to not reveal the true design.

I'd feel like the common citizen like a certain christophera, whose identity is known, would be just as likely to be slain by those making the threats, should he speak up. So far, zilch.

When a uniform denial of publication and production is counter to raw evidence of the concrete core, We've just determining who is assisting with the coverup.

Actually, when EVERYONE is claiming the SAME thing, it's much more reasonable to assume that they're beign honest about it.

They probably think they will. Which is part of the great deception taking nearly 2 generations to perfect.

Guess we'd better start keeping tabs on those PBS employees, until ALL of them show up in Mercedes...
 
Concrete

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4462&stc=1&d=1165814495

In the left silhouette "A" is the entire center piece, in the right "A" is only the forms of the actual wall running perpendicular to the long axis core wall face we view. The outer forms of the core are not in place yet so we can see light along where the concrete will be.

"D" on the right is the right side of the center piece formed and "C" is the partially formed left side of the center piece.

In the left image "B "is the total left side of the core.

In the left image you can see that the center piece is missing which shows that the core was cast in pieces.

NOW,

Explain how these images show steel core columns.

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I've been a bit lacking the last day or two. But I have to come back at this excellent piece of explanation. Or rather, lack of it.

Christopher, I really have no idea what you are trying to explain here. First, let's focus only on the South Tower. Note that in the left picture (that's the black & white one) you can see through the upper 40 or so floors. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEM! Then, in the right picture (that's the color one), we can see through some 10 or so floors. I'd guess around the 50th floor up. Again... YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEM! So, what I would like you to do is...

Show me the concrete!
 
Christopher, I really have no idea what you are trying to explain here. First, let's focus only on the South Tower. Note that in the left picture (that's the black & white one) you can see through the upper 40 or so floors. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEM! Then, in the right picture (that's the color one), we can see through some 10 or so floors. I'd guess around the 50th floor up. Again... YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEM! So, what I would like you to do is...

Well, duh, it's the new mirror-crete which reflects the light in just the right way so as to make it look like there's no concrete. It's all an optical illusion. There aren't any other examples of this kind of illusion because obvious the towers were so special that entirely new rules of proof, logic, and reasoning had to be designed to talk about them.

Even I picked up on that, and according to Christophera I'm incapable of reading. (Of course, I also picked up on the fact that it was a BS retroactive explanation for something he knows nothing about, but that's nothing new)

It's all so obvious. If you're not convinced I can repeat the same phrase a few hundred times without presenting any new evidence.
 
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chris...............

i believe the image you assert shows "high explosive shear" cut steel may simply show only salvage cuts made at ground zero. i believe this because the image i countered with shows remarkably similar cuts on salvaged WTC steel.

can you please show an image of steel cut by high explosives showing similar "high explosive shear" cuts from an actual controlled demolition other than the WTC 9/11 event? please corroborate any such image with a link to the source.

if you present such an image i will have to reconsider my opening argument.

BV
 
Also Chris, this picture, posted on the interweb by the BBC on 9/13 shows your alleged concrete core. How did the artist know of this concrete core?
 
Also Chris, this picture, posted on the interweb by the BBC on 9/13 shows your alleged concrete core. How did the artist know of this concrete core?

I love that picture. It's the only semi-legitimate anything showing his "core" in a diagram, and it turned out to be a simple mistake on the part of the BBC. Not a big surprise, considering the close proximity to the event.

But I suppose in Christophera's mind, the closer something is to an event the more accurate it is, because the NWO hasn't had time to cover things up.

Too bad that's not how the real world works.
 
chris...............

i believe the image you assert shows "high explosive shear" cut steel may simply show only salvage cuts made at ground zero. i believe this because the image i countered with shows remarkably similar cuts on salvaged WTC steel.

You didn't actually show the cuts. You showed cut pieces. I need to see the cut face of the steel. Here is explosive shear on the left and a torch cut on the right. BTW, your image looked like a torch cut on the outside edge but that is not conclusive.

can you please show an image of steel cut by high explosives showing similar "high explosive shear" cuts from an actual controlled demolition other than the WTC 9/11 event? please corroborate any such image with a link to the source.

if you present such an image i will have to reconsider my opening argument.

BV

There are no such images from demolitions because there is not need to limit the noise or the quantity of explosive. I did find an image of a linear shape charge cut to demonstrate how clean they are. Essentially a shearing action.

http://www.air-and-space.com/20020624 China Lake/4 28 Linear shape charge I-beam cut l.jpg

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Later, Chris. Whenever you stop pissing in the wind and promoting your whack-job website, and start actually doing something about these alleged beliefs you're espousing, I'll start paying attention. However, your lies and hand-waving have become tiresome. You are no longer amusing; just boring and dull.

Do the world a favor - either get off your lazy ass and do something about this 'evidence', or take a short trip to the Hunting Grounds.
 
I did find an image of a linear shape charge cut to demonstrate how clean they are. Essentially a shearing action.

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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4483&d=1166047675

where's the source for that image chris? (ETA sorry just noticed the url on the pic)

what type of explosive was used?how much explosive did it take to produce that cut? it what fashion was it detonated? for all i know that cut could have been made with a bloody hacksaw.

anyway there is no proper comparison is there?........that looks like a light thin mild steel or zinc lintel you may find above a door or window in a house? except for a couple of footprints there's no perspective for anyone to judge on how thick the metal is there. and the cut looks like it's been made along a weak edge of a flange or something. after all, the pics we both show are of SERIOUS steel needing serious energy to cut. this doesn't convince me that the original steel you showed is cut with high explosives. i still find it hard to believe that high explosive could produce such clean uniform square cut as you claim. i would need better evidence to be swayed. and i don't mean just your word for it, you proven to be quite unreliable as to the veracity of "raw evidence" in the past.

and you also wrote:-

there are no such images from demolitions because there is not need to limit the noise or the quantity of explosive

sorry mate, you've lost me there what do you mean by that?
ETA sorry just noticed the url on the pic
BV
 
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