So if thermite was used to cut the core columns, and it melts straight down (more or less), haven't you just self-debunked the notion that it was thermite in the video you showed? Do you know how far that corner was from the core columns?
This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!
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The uniform or the whiplashings ?
Good to see you back, Dave
28th is ignoring me because I posted some pesky Sheffield and Edinburgh structural engineering papers that proved he was talking more bolloks that Paxman when he complains about the Scottish Raj. So far I'd have had more luck getting Dr. John Reid to be nice to babies and old ladies.....
28th is ignoring me because I posted some pesky Sheffield and Edinburgh structural engineering papers that proved he was talking more bolloks that Paxman when he complains about the Scottish Raj. So far I'd have had more luck getting Dr. John Reid to be nice to babies and old ladies.....
I'm well miffed, me.
28th didn't answer a single one of my posts, so I'm going home now to post some nice kitty photos. The best of them are prints, so it'll have to be scans I'm afraid. Are puppy photos OK too?
Later
28th didn't answer a single one of my posts, so I'm going home now to post some nice kitty photos. The best of them are prints, so it'll have to be scans I'm afraid. Are puppy photos OK too?
Later
Hey,
I NEVER said thermite is an explosive! Why do you say that? I haven't even opined about the full nature of the PET, because I don't honestly know exactly how it was pulled off. Try this on for size, though. Therma/ite was used to cut the core columns...so that they would remove themselves in a downwardly fashion...and then they used some type of explosives on the outer grid and floors etc. Doesn't really seem all that complex to me. (Remember, we have learned that the CORE COLUMNS...were a unique feature to the twin towers...so I guess that's why they had to do a hybrid type of demolition i.e. incendiary plus explosives. Because if they would have just used explosives, than the core columns would have remained standing. See, this is also why the WTC 7 collapse looks different than the WTC 1 & 2 collapses...because the WTC 7 did NOT have any core columns
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WTC Molten Metal:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=545886459853896774
Thermite Reaction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEmHJORTlqk
OK so if thermite (or a variant) was used to cut the core, why is you evidence of this some molten metal pouring out of a small part of the outside of the building (ie a very long way away from the core?). Also why doesn't the building collapse immediately after this molten metal is seen?
Also, how much thermite do you think caused that much molten metal? The amount of molten metal caused by a flowerpot full of thermite in the youtube clip you've referenced wouldn't even have shown up at the scale of the WTC clip.
Lastly, you can see from the youtube clip that although thermite burns at a very high temperature, it does so extremely quickly and doesn't actually generate vast amounts of heat. The car is undamaged away from the immediate vicinity of the thermite. Once they blow the petrol tank, the buring of the fuel actually causes more damage to the car as a whole.
Even with insulation, the heat generated from a thermite reaction will dissipate too quickly to keep any kind of metal molten for more than a short period of time.
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Lastly, how would the people that planned this hybrid method have any certainty that it would work to bring the towers down?
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Hey,
Thanks for the reply. This first one is to Merc and Maccy - As far as why the molten metal was so far from the internal core columns....well, a plane did fly virtually through the entire building at those floors, so who is to say what that impact did to the core columns on those floors. You know...what I mean?
Also, I'm not sure how much therma/ite was used...but obviously if there were pools under the rubble, than quite a bit. Also, something I wanted to mention....we talked about those molten pools...and I said that a hydrocarbon fire...wouldn't of had enough oxygen under the rubble to burn for 6 weeks. Well, another cool thing about thermate...is that it produces it's own oxygen...so, it could have easily burned for 6 weeks under a pile of rubble. It can even burn underwater.
Oh yea...in reference...to molten metal...splashing and jumping about...due to extreme heat. Just think about how the molten metal in a volcano acts. You know how it jumps up and splashes and other cool stuff like that. HOT HOT HOT !
Cheerios.
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http://www.zombo.comHey,
Thanks so much for writing. This first one is to Merc and Maccy - As far as why the molten metal was so far from the internal core columns....well, a plane did fly virtually through the entire building at those floors, so who is to say what that impact did to the core columns on those floors. You know...what I mean?
Also, I'm not sure how much therma/ite was used...but obviously if there were pools under the rubble, than quite a bit. Also, something I wanted to mention....we talked about those molten pools...and I said that a hydrocarbon fire...wouldn't of had enough oxygen under the rubble to burn for 6 weeks. Well, another cool thing about thermate...is that it produces it's own oxygen...it can even burn underwater.
Cheerios.
Hey,
Thanks so much for writing. This first one is to Merc and Maccy - As far as why the molten metal was so far from the internal core columns....well, a plane did fly virtually through the entire building at those floors, so who is to say what that impact did to the core columns on those floors. You know...what I mean?
Also, I'm not sure how much therma/ite was used...but obviously if there were pools under the rubble, than quite a bit. Also, something I wanted to mention....we talked about those molten pools...and I said that a hydrocarbon fire...wouldn't of had enough oxygen under the rubble to burn for 6 weeks. Well, another cool thing about thermate...is that it produces it's own oxygen...so, it could have easily burned for 6 weeks under a pile of rubble. It can even burn underwater.
Oh yea...in reference...to molten metal...splashing and jumping about...due to extreme heat. Just think about how the molten metal in a volcano acts. You know how it jumps up and splashes and other cool stuff like that. HOT HOT HOT !
Cheerios.
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Originally Posted by maccy 
Lastly, you can see from the youtube clip that although thermite burns at a very high temperature, it does so extremely quickly and doesn't actually generate vast amounts of heat. The car is undamaged away from the immediate vicinity of the thermite. Once they blow the petrol tank, the buring of the fuel actually causes more damage to the car as a whole.
Well, exactly though...if the therma/ite is attached right on the steel beam...it only needs to generate an extreme amount of heat in a very small and condensed area. Just like you said the hood of the car was damaged right below the centre of the reaction...so to will a steel beam be affected if directly exposed to the full magnitude of a therma/ite reaction.
Lastly, you can see from the youtube clip that although thermite burns at a very high temperature, it does so extremely quickly and doesn't actually generate vast amounts of heat. The car is undamaged away from the immediate vicinity of the thermite. Once they blow the petrol tank, the buring of the fuel actually causes more damage to the car as a whole.
Well, exactly though...if the therma/ite is attached right on the steel beam...it only needs to generate an extreme amount of heat in a very small and condensed area. Just like you said the hood of the car was damaged right below the centre of the reaction...so to will a steel beam be affected if directly exposed to the full magnitude of a therma/ite reaction.
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Heck, I am willing to admit in an open forum that you have helped me see the truth of some of the events surrounding 9/11/2001. I've not had much reason to investigate the horrors of that day before, but you gave me the incentive to do just that.
I have since learned something about thermite reactions and something about fire retardants and something about steel strength. I have also, thanks to you 28th Kingdom, gotten a new appreciation for circular reasoning, wishful thinking, huge leaps of faith, and your utter mastery at misreading even the simplest of quotes.
Thanks, you really did change the way I look at 9/11 FOREVER.
Now, if you are still taking votes, I vote you leave.
That is fascinating.
Can you tell me, from your extensive knowledge of thermite/thermate, where on the wtc tower structures these thermite/thermate cutting charges would have been placed, and on how many?
Thanking you in advance
I do know what you mean; you mean that your notion requires much more thermite than you initially had thought through. I mean, if the plane knocked that much thermite all the way to the corner of the building, and yet there was still enough left to cut the columns, you are talking a level of redundancy to this plan that is staggering.
6 weeks worth of melting thermite. You have now multiplied your requirement tremendously. You saw how quickly the flowerpot went through its fuel; how much thermite would be required to melt the columns (after surviving dispersal by the plane), then burn for an additional several weeks?Also, I'm not sure how much therma/ite was used...but obviously if there were pools under the rubble, than quite a bit. Also, something I wanted to mention....we talked about those molten pools...and I said that a hydrocarbon fire...wouldn't of had enough oxygen under the rubble to burn for 6 weeks. Well, another cool thing about thermate...is that it produces it's own oxygen...so, it could have easily burned for 6 weeks under a pile of rubble. It can even burn underwater.
So...everything molten is metal. Gotcha.Oh yea...in reference...to molten metal...splashing and jumping about...due to extreme heat. Just think about how the molten metal in a volcano acts. You know how it jumps up and splashes and other cool stuff like that. HOT HOT HOT !
After today, there is no longer any question in my mind; you do not believe any of this. I was wondering before, but after claims of "no airplane parts", of precision cuts by thermite (despite your own video "evidence"!), and the rest, it is very clear. No one is that stupid.
Hydrocarbon fire can burn for years underground, in coal mine spoil heaps for example where the material is a lot tighter packed than the debris of the WTC and the potential oxygen supply lower.Also, I'm not sure how much therma/ite was used...but obviously if there were pools under the rubble, than quite a bit. Also, something I wanted to mention....we talked about those molten pools...and I said that a hydrocarbon fire...wouldn't of had enough oxygen under the rubble to burn for 6 weeks. Well, another cool thing about thermate...is that it produces it's own oxygen...so, it could have easily burned for 6 weeks under a pile of rubble. It can even burn underwater.
Thermite won't burn for weeks, it burns rapidly or not at all. Anyway the stuff's powder and unless contained would have been dispersed too finely as the towers fell to continue the reactions.
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28K,
Step back for a moment and wonder if the towers really needed to collapse for Bush to incite war?
Surely 3 smoking icons with hundreds dead would do the trick?
Why increase the complexity a thousand fold and get caught and put an end to the New World Order forever?
Even an operation as simple as the Watergate burgleries got caught.
Step back for a moment and wonder if the towers really needed to collapse for Bush to incite war?
Surely 3 smoking icons with hundreds dead would do the trick?
Why increase the complexity a thousand fold and get caught and put an end to the New World Order forever?
Even an operation as simple as the Watergate burgleries got caught.
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I blame my father. Damn genetics! Stupid tendency towards acid reflux!
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That's okay; just meditate and watch the tape in a loop; the Truth Fairy will find you.
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Oh, yeah, Big Bucks to see that!
After that, they can use him in the spy car ejection seat!
"9/11 was and inside Sproing!!"
It woz cheese wot brought down the towers!!
Danish blue....or was that a porn video ...ahem... someone told me about...sometime....somewhere?