This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

[maccy]

28K you're obviously not making much progress in convincing people here, but I don't understand why you're even trying. If what you're saying is, as you say, both obvious and scientific why aren't you making an effort to get this information out to the world? The world is has many media outlets, technical journals and engineering departments - why not send your information to people involved with these? If you don't manage to get the word out this way, I would say that you are ultimately insignificant.

Remember, this isn't about us convincing you, it's about you convincing the world. At the moment, the world says you are wrong. What are you going to do to change its mind?

There are lots and lots of people you can contact about this, here are a few suggestions of places you might want to start:

science magazines:

http://www.ejse.org/EdBoard.htm
http://www.pubs.asce.org/journals/st.html
http://www.sciam.com/
http://research.yale.edu/ysm/
http://www.sciencemag.org/
http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html
http://www.stanford.edu/~dgermain/index.htm
http://www.newscientist.com/home.ns
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/

Demolition Publications

http://www.implosionworld.com/

Fire Engineering Magazine:

http://fe.pennnet.com/

Architecture Magazines:

http://www.arplus.com/home.htm
http://www.architectmagazine.com/
http://architectstore.com/magazine.html

Engineering Departments

http://www.shef.ac.uk/civil/
http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/
http://www.eng.ox.ac.uk/
http://www.engg.le.ac.uk/
http://www.eng.abdn.ac.uk/
http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/esbe/about/depeng.shtml
http://www.liv.ac.uk/engdept/
http://www.swan.ac.uk/engineering/
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/civileng/

http://www.enfp.umd.edu/
http://www.ce.ksu.edu/
http://www.matsceng.ohio-state.edu/
http://www.ce.jhu.edu/
http://ase.tufts.edu/cee/
http://www.ce.clemson.edu/
http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/
http://cee.mit.edu/
http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/

Science Correspondents of Media outlets:

http://www.cnn.com/
http://www.nytimes.com/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

There's a whole list of newspapers around the world here:

http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Assertive and arrogant (as some of you are claiming I am) are two completely different things...so you need to make that distinction. Just, because I refuse to be treated unkindly...doesn't make me arrogant...it just means I respect myself...just like I respect all of you and your opinions.

I'm NOT your enemy....I don't even know why you want to make me that. I'm here to be your friend...I want to unite people so that the victims of 9/11 can have some JUSTICE for what was done to them.

Don't you all understand....that virtually ALL so-called, "9/11 Truthers," (minus maybe Alex Jones) believed, wholeheartedly...the official story of OBL and 19 hijackers, when 9/11 first happened? I mean, we had no logical reason to believe otherwise...

HOWEVER, in the last few years... with all of the data and analysis that has poured in...I mean, if one cannot plainly see what happened on 9/11 after taking in all of the overwhelming evidence...than I don't know what to say. All, I know is that it's possible to switch your belief about what happened on 9/11, because I have...and so have millions of others.

Please, just try and be objective...read over everything I have said...and do the right thing.

Drop the attempts at appeals to pity, emotion, patriotism, whatever and substantiate your claims with objective verifiable evidence; or stfu.

 

[Miss Anthrope]

Assertive and arrogant (as some of you are claiming I am) are two completely different things...so you need to make that distinction. Just, because I refuse to be treated unkindly...doesn't make me arrogant...it just means I respect myself...just like I respect all of you and your opinions.

I'm NOT your enemy....I don't even know why you want to make me that. I'm here to be your friend...I want to unite people so that the victims of 9/11 can have some JUSTICE for what was done to them.

Don't you all understand....that virtually ALL so-called, "9/11 Truthers," (minus maybe Alex Jones) believed, wholeheartedly...the official story of OBL and 19 hijackers, when 9/11 first happened? I mean, we had no logical reason to believe otherwise...

HOWEVER, in the last few years... with all of the data and analysis that has poured in...I mean, if one cannot plainly see what happened on 9/11 after taking in all of the overwhelming evidence...than I don't know what to say. All, I know is that it's possible to switch your belief about what happened on 9/11, because I have...and so have millions of others.

Please, just try and be objective...read over everything I have said...and do the right thing.

Please read all of the evidence posed contrary to your arguments. Consider it. Investigate it. Please try to be objective, read over everything, do the right thing.

 

[28th Kingdom]

I'm kind of getting the impression...that most of you aren't even interested in what I have to say...as you constantly attack my intelligence and logic. I have enjoyed debating this issue with pretty much everyone...but if you guys really want me to leave than I will. If ten people vote for me to go, I will leave your community...because I honestly had no intention of causing a negative disturbance like this.

Thanks.

 

[~enigma~]

I'm kind of getting the impression...that most of you aren't even interested in what I have to say...as you constantly attack my intelligence and logic. I have enjoyed debating this issue with pretty much everyone...but if you guys really want me to leave than I will. If ten people vote for me to go, I will leave your community...because I honestly had no intention of causing a negative disturbance like this.

Thanks.

Unless you try to answer my shaped charge post and stop ignoring my posts, I vote for you to leave.

 

[28th Kingdom]

If there are any of you out there who have awaken to the truth of 9/11 but feel uncomfortable expressing that view in the open forum, for fear of being ridiculed...please drop me a PM...and let me know what you think about my posts...and YOU HAVE MY WORD, I will keep your identity private.

Thanks.

 

[Architect]

I'm kind of getting the impression...that most of you aren't even interested in what I have to say...as you constantly attack my intelligence and logic. I have enjoyed debating this issue with pretty much everyone...but if you guys really want me to leave than I will. If ten people vote for me to go, I will leave your community...because I honestly had no intention of causing a negative disturbance like this.

Thanks.

I agree; unless you start answering substantive rejoinders when they are put to you, then you should leave.

 

[Miss Anthrope]

I'm kind of getting the impression...that most of you aren't even interested in what I have to say...as you constantly attack my intelligence and logic. I have enjoyed debating this issue with pretty much everyone...but if you guys really want me to leave than I will. If ten people vote for me to go, I will leave your community...because I honestly had no intention of causing a negative disturbance like this.

Thanks.

The problem is, you aren't engaged in a debate. You refuse to cite your evidence. You do not look at the other side. You have been just as guilty of dismissing our evidence with insult such as "wishful thinking", yet don't factually or methodically explain your point of view. You aren't engaged in this debate, you're copying and pasting stuff from the same old tired CT sites.

People here would have much more respect for your position if you answered their questions and addressed issues logically.

 

[babazaroni]

ETA: Hey whats with the felines people? I get the socks. I get woowoo. I don't get the kittys.

Porkpie Hat,

The cat pictures seem to be a tradition here in the conspiracy forum. You see them when people get bored of the topic, or are waiting for some response. They seem to add as much information to the thread as do the CT'ers.

I like them.

 

[R.Mackey]

I'm kind of getting the impression...that most of you aren't even interested in what I have to say...as you constantly attack my intelligence and logic.

You've ignored a great many posts that attack your arguments. For you to ignore that fact as well, and focus on "attacks on your intelligence and logic," is disingenuous.

If you cannot respond to legitimate criticism of your arguments, then perhaps it would be better if you simply departed. It seems clear that you are adamant in your position, and you've offered nothing that will convince anyone else.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

If there are any of you out there who have awaken to the truth of 9/11 but feel uncomfortable expressing that view in the open forum, for fear of being ridiculed...please drop me a PM...and let me know what you think about my posts...and YOU HAVE MY WORD, I will keep your identity private.

Thanks.

 

[Miss Anthrope]

If there are any of you out there who have awaken to the truth of 9/11 but feel uncomfortable expressing that view in the open forum, for fear of being ridiculed...please drop me a PM...and let me know what you think about my posts...and YOU HAVE MY WORD, I will keep your identity private.

Thanks.

Oh this is priceless

 

[28th Kingdom]

If I present evidence of thermite devices that can be used to cut through steel, will you believe my PET? I'm not gonna continue to just pile on evidence...because every time I do...you all come up with the silliest of counterpoints...that just leads into yall asking 10 more questions and requesting 10 more bits of physical evidence to back it up. Don't you see the never ending cycle here?

 

[Spindrift]

I'm kind of getting the impression...that most of you aren't even interested in what I have to say...as you constantly attack my intelligence and logic. I have enjoyed debating this issue with pretty much everyone...but if you guys really want me to leave than I will. If ten people vote for me to go, I will leave your community...because I honestly had no intention of causing a negative disturbance like this.

Thanks.

Don't necessarily want you to leave. What I'd like you to do is to answer questions and requests for proof. If you don't have any proof say so. (And "it's obvious" is not proof.)

I don't think anyone should "vote" you off. 1) We really don't care about you that much to care whether you stay or go. 2) We don't want you to go off somewhere and say "I was kicked off JREF, because of (insert lame reason).

 

[Horatius]

Assertive and arrogant (as some of you are claiming I am) are two completely different things...so you need to make that distinction. Just, because I refuse to be treated unkindly...doesn't make me arrogant...it just means I respect myself...just like I respect all of you and your opinions.

I'm NOT your enemy....I don't even know why you want to make me that. I'm here to be your friend...I want to unite people so that the victims of 9/11 can have some JUSTICE for what was done to them.

Don't you all understand....that virtually ALL so-called, "9/11 Truthers," (minus maybe Alex Jones) believed, wholeheartedly...the official story of OBL and 19 hijackers, when 9/11 first happened? I mean, we had no logical reason to believe otherwise...

HOWEVER, in the last few years... with all of the data and analysis that has poured in...I mean, if one cannot plainly see what happened on 9/11 after taking in all of the overwhelming evidence...than I don't know what to say. All, I know is that it's possible to switch your belief about what happened on 9/11, because I have...and so have millions of others.

Please, just try and be objective...read over everything I have said...and do the right thing.

Main Entry: ar·ro·gant
Pronunciation: -g&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin arrogant-, arrogans, present participle of arrogare
1 : exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner <an arrogant official>
2 : proceeding from or characterized by arrogance <an arrogant reply>

So, you're not exaggerating your own worth? You start off with your first post by disparaging the contributions of experts, but oh, no, you're not arrogant.

Here's another problem with you CTists: Just saying something doesn't make it true.

It's completely enervating trying to address everyone's drivel.

You're our "friend", but everything you respond to is "drivel"? Nice friend.

Hora...are you a communist or socialist? This question applies to everyone else as well...how many communists are here. Please stand up. I have never seen so many people who are completely and utterly infatuated with government and authority. Most people despise big government power and influence....but most of you seem to revel in it. Did I hit it on the head, or what?

And accusing people (me in particular) of being communists becasue we dare to disagree with you on 9/11? Saying I'm "utterly infactuated" with government and authority, based on no evidence at all?

Yeah, really nice. Great friend.

And then there was the bit where you compared disagreeing with you about 9/11 to being too stupid to see a full moon in the sky:

A PETer and NISTer walk outside together on a starry night with a full moon in the sky:

PET: Hey, check out the moon.

NIST: Where?

PET: Right there.

NIST: Where?

PET: You don't see that HUGE round looking thing in the sky?

NIST: I don't see it.

PET: RIGHT THERE...It's huge...the round ball giving off all that light.

NIST: I don't see it.

PET: BUT YER LOOKING RIGHT AT IT!

NIST: I don't see it.


That's what it feels like sometimes.

Yeah, nothing but sunshine and puppies, through and through....

 

[Porkpie Hat]

Porkpie Hat,

The cat pictures seem to be a tradition here in the conspiracy forum. You see them when people get bored of the topic, or are waiting for some response. They seem to add as much information to the thread as do the CT'ers.

I like them.

Thanks Babazaroni. I'm more of a dog person myself but when in Rome...

 

[~enigma~]

If I present evidence of thermite devices that can be used to cut through steel, will you believe my PET? I'm not gonna continue to just pile on evidence...because every time I do...you all come up with the silliest of counterpoints...that just leads into yall asking 10 more questions and requesting 10 more bits of physical evidence to back it up. Don't you see the never ending cycle here?

Prove the entire Lozeaux family are liars. Go ahead. I am ready to foward a copy of your accusation to their lawyers.

 

[beachnut]

If there are any of you out there who have awaken to the truth of 9/11 but feel uncomfortable expressing that view in the open forum, for fear of being ridiculed...please drop me a PM...and let me know what you think about my posts...and YOU HAVE MY WORD, I will keep your identity private.

Thanks.

LOL – If you look at your youTube junk you can debunk yourself, you never did look at the oxygen generators video did you? You do not read our posts; if you did you might learn something.

if anything you have provided evidence against all of CT world.

Just as most CT followers have no clue what they are saying, they have no clue when the post the very facts to debunk them.

Take all the posts you have ignored, they might have a clue for you.

So do not leave, try to learn to use your brain. You have let your brain believe what you what to believe; not what is real.

You are funny. Posting a cut beam as a thermite smoking gun of CT.

 

[Miss Anthrope]

If I present evidence of thermite devices that can be used to cut through steel, will you believe my PET? I'm not gonna continue to just pile on evidence...because every time I do...you all come up with the silliest of counterpoints...that just leads into yall asking 10 more questions and requesting 10 more bits of physical evidence to back it up. Don't you see the never ending cycle here?

Now how can we take you seriously when you call the educated counterpoints silly? Obviously your mind is completely closed, you believe yourself far smarter than anyone posting against your points, and you are here to rattle your sabre and nothing more.

My ma used to say don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya...

 

[Spindrift]

If I present evidence of thermite devices that can be used to cut through steel, will you believe my PET? I'm not gonna continue to just pile on evidence...because every time I do...you all come up with the silliest of counterpoints...that just leads into yall asking 10 more questions and requesting 10 more bits of physical evidence to back it up. Don't you see the never ending cycle here?

If you would provide real evidence then you wouldn't end up in the never ending cycle.

BTW: We would need evidence of a thermite device that cuts horizontally or at least at an angle. And it needs to be a working device not just an idea for one.