Some simple Tower 7 questions

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Do you keep trying to imply that I have something against firemen because you have so much invested in defending the claims they made? There are several firemen who have provided information that contratict the one's you have used to bring yourself to "fame".
Molten steel underneath the rubble piles would be impossible if there were no incendiary devices on the lower levels of the buildings.

Here is another website that contain many if not all of the same claims, but the have a few pictures as proof.
What could have caused this, since the fires in tower 1&2 would have been all but suffocated when the buildings collapsed?

Please state why molten/glowing metal extracted from the debris piles days after the collapse is evidence of (1) controlled demolition, (2) an inside job, and (3) only possibly caused by incendiary devices.

 

[Submersible]

In your experience as a "fireman", which of the following have you observed to be more common: a) building fires being stable or decreasing over time; b) building fires increasing in size and intensity over time?

I would have to say A, because we didn't sit and watch buildings burn, we put them out.

 

[beachnut]

That's a great explanation of why rational people would turn to the source that destroyed all of the crime scene evidence for factual information.

btw, marijuana isn't illegal in all states

The thermite started up and burned, or was it the paper? A flare up!

Actually molten stuff would be like molassase; kind of like not able to be picked up my a shovel like you posted.

Notice how the time exposure will make it look hotter?

I found it hard to pick up molten stuff with my fork; have you?

What kind of metal is this molten stuff you CTers found?

BTW; thermite does not last but minutes! RDX, a few seconds.

What is your point about the ruble pile? It was hot. What happen to my car crushed at the WTC? Did it burn, oops there is oil in the darn engine too. Plastic parts burn for a long time.

Please connect all the dots, what does your last post prove??? The hot piece of non-molten metal, what does it mean? (molten metal would flow off, not just sparks and pieces, it would flow)

 

[Submersible]

He is, even though he posted photos of the Windsor building, in which all the steel in the fire-affected areas failed and collapsed. But I don't know that it's worth trying to correct him. If you look at his posting history here, you'll see that he's been utterly immune to learning. He swings by now and then, spews insulting nonsense at everyone and everything associated with the 9/11 investigations, and storms off. Just another true believer.

Oh, the top portion of this building came crashing down and blew the foundation out of the ground like it did in 1&2??

Talk about spewing nonsense !

Look at this fire ,

Compared to the images you have of tower 7

Still haven't read the NIST interim report on WTC 7, or the NIST FAQ, eh, sub? Oh, well. I guess this horse isn't thirsty. So long.

It's quite sad that the most valuable source of information you have to offer comes from the same source that destroyed all of the evidence from GZ.
I'm just not that gullible Gravy.. and it surprises me how many of you are.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

That's a great explanation of why rational people would turn to the source that destroyed all of the crime scene evidence for factual information.

btw, marijuana isn't illegal in all states

1) It was your argument that was circular in nature, you accuse the gov't of a conspiracy and then cite the NIST report as not being reliable because the gov't is part of a conspiracy

2) Your post was reported to the mods for accusing me of drug use

 

[Submersible]

1) It was your argument that was circular in nature, you accuse the gov't of a conspiracy and then cite the NIST report as not being reliable because the gov't is part of a conspiracy

2) Your post was reported to the mods for accusing me of drug use

The gov't conducted a very brief investigation, then destroyed all of the evidence that could validate any of the claims made in their reports.

Doesn't that make all of THEIR claims circular in nature?

 

[beachnut]

Oh, the top portion of this building came crashing down and blew the foundation out of the ground like it did in 1&2??

Talk about spewing nonsense !

Night fires, that is cheating!

Where did the 590 mph Plane hit?

This building no longer exists, it was too weak to use ever again!

This building stood because it has a, dare I say, Concrete Core. (this one is for you chris!)

Concrete core. If WTC7 had a concrete core you would still say the steel only portions were blown up by some Spy in your government.

So why did the steel portions of this building you show us, this building that failed in a fire?

Where is the fuel to run the generators in this building; you know there was 20,000 gallons or more fuel in WTC7, and there were reports of the same kind of fire, too bad it was not night to make you a pretty red fire picture of the WTC.

So do you have a point? This building you show us, was not like the WTC7.

But then you do not care. Have you any evidence of what did bring down WTC7, and how it was done?

you must show me the concrete core of WTC7, it has one now! good luck in you endless quest to prove what ever; what are you trying to say?

 

[Kent1]

The gov't conducted a very brief investigation, then destroyed all of the evidence that could validate any of the claims made in their reports.

Doesn't that make all of THEIR claims circular in nature?

They did? I guess I'd better tell Steven Jones, the guys at Hanger 17 and Fresh Kills that they have fake steel. LOL!
Also see
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2168541&postcount=466

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

The gov't conducted a very brief investigation, then destroyed all of the evidence that could validate any of the claims made in their reports.

Doesn't that make all of THEIR claims circular in nature?

No! You are claiming the report is invalid and then cite the report as evidence of this.

 

[Submersible]

Please state why molten/glowing metal extracted from the debris piles days after the collapse is evidence of (1) controlled demolition, (2) an inside job, and (3) only possibly caused by incendiary devices.

I know most of you are truly faithful that a "supernatural entity" does exist since most of you are convinced that 19 Muslims pulled off the three greatest MIRACLES in the world, but molten/glowing metal would definitely require a heat source.

At this point, the fire is out :

Also, is this an image of the opposite side of tower 2 where it was struck?

 

[The Almond]

The gov't conducted a very brief investigation, then destroyed all of the evidence that could validate any of the claims made in their reports.

What about the evidence stored at NIST? Are you suggesting that the billions of pounds of material all be stored and analyzed? What would that prove?

Doesn't that make all of THEIR claims circular in nature?

NIST is very clear about what it uses for evidence. The WTC steel was investigated, photographic evidence and testimonies from eyewitnesses were also considered.

 

[Wizard]

Arkan Wolfshade. slighty off topic, but can I ask when you will be finishing the debunking of Killtown's Flight 93 photo analysis? It began on your blog in September and has not been completed. We are waiting for this to be debunked.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I know most of you are truly faithful that a "supernatural entity" does exist since most of you are convinced that 19 Muslims pulled off the three greatest MIRACLES in the world, but molten/glowing metal would definitely require a heat source.

At this point, the fire is out :

Also, is this an image of the opposite side of tower 2 where it was struck?

1) How is possible to determine the state of (1) open flame (2) heated materials and (3) other sources of ignition from pictures of collapse?
2) None of your post addressed my query.

 

[The Almond]

but molten/glowing metal would definitely require a heat source.

Will you perform a thought experiment with me? Take a pot filled with boiling water and put it into a THERMOS bottle. Close the lid and leave the bottle untouched for 24 hours. When you come back, what temperature will the water be?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Arkan Wolfshade. slighty off topic, but can I ask when you will be finishing the debunking of Killtown's Flight 93 photo analysis? It began on your blog in September and has not been completed. We are waiting for this to be debunked.

Yes, it is off topic. As has been pointed out numerous times on this forum; Killtown was been utterly debunked on a multitude of threads on the JREF cite and my blog post concerning it is no more than a summary of the highlights of what has been address on these forums. And, frankly, if I don't ever bother to get back to it, since it is on the backburner at the moment, any claims made as to my non-completion of it are no more than transparent calls of argumentum ad ignoratium.

 

[Gravy]

Arkan Wolfshade. slighty off topic, but can I ask when you will be finishing the debunking of Killtown's Flight 93 photo analysis? It began on your blog in September and has not been completed. We are waiting for this to be debunked.

Hello Wizard. If it's Killtown debunking you want, you've come to the right place.

If you're just stopping by to harass a 9/11 victim, you've come to the wrong place.

 

[Wizard]

Harass a victim? Asking a civil question that is being asked in several places on the web is not harassment to my mind. Who is the victim?

 

[beachnut]

I know most of you are truly faithful that a "supernatural entity" does exist since most of you are convinced that 19 Muslims pulled off the three greatest MIRACLES in the world, but molten/glowing metal would definitely require a heat source.

The terrorist did nothing. They cut throats to kill pilots. They flew planes into buildings. Cowards at best, terrorist they were.

It would be like someone in your car, sitting behind you as you drive, cutting your throat, then taking your car and running into a building.

Zero technical qualifications, even you could do it. Any zero can do this! It is the poor man's bomb, the ultimate terrorist effect.

An idiot mission, bet a few were wondering what they were going to do the next day! These guys are dolts, they were unable to finish the mission, flight 93 was foiled very quickly with ordinary citizens (those passenger did not ask questions; the took action!; those citizens did not ask the government to do it, they did it and served us all by beating back the terrorist and the terrorist did the only thing they are real good at; failure)

You have some imaginary scenario, of some unknown conspiracy, by unknown people, with no facts or evidence but your own undereducated observations and the help of total idiots on the internet publishing trash, you are just not very good at this.

You must be incapable of reading and critiquing the massive about of real reports and real experts' evidence. You just point and say look this building still stands. But you building is gone.

Let us review the tough terrorist task of 9/11:
1. cut pilot throats, made easy cause they have look forward a lot!
2. pull pilot body out of seat, he is dead, he does not care, the blood is not a problem
3. sit in seat aim plane, fly south,
4. Find target, gee is it that giant building standing up in NYC, they stand out like a sore thumb
5. push up throttles to make plane go fast as you get close
6. hit building, if you miss just come back unless you loose the jet cause it is going to fast at 1,000 feet!
7. meet virgins and find out why 72 virgins are worse than hell

7 simple steps for idiots! One small step for you to be a CT person!

 

[jaydeehess]

Now shall we list the steps involved in the CT supposition of how things went down?

Perhaps if someone has enough time and the post can be spread out over a couple of pages,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Submersible]

No! You are claiming the report is invalid and then cite the report as evidence of this.

The report was generated by the same source that destroyed the crime scene evidence, in any other criminal investigation this would make the USG's CLAIMS not only invalid, it would automatically make them SUSPECTS !

But that's all you've got is an NIST report, so you spout that as the truth and for some reason overlook the FACT that they are part of the same organization that recycled the truth !

I mean, what do you think could have possibly happend to your rational minds if you take what the USG/NIST offers as the TRUTH?