Fire, steel, and 911.

Everyone who is actively involved in this thread...must write out a summary of their theory just like TAM has so eloquently done here...before I will present my closing statements.

Thanks.
my theory is that you have no evidence at all, let alone anything that will change anyones mind. you are simply trying to stall until someone changes the subject and you can start a new thread and pretend nothing happened

thats my theory
 
my theory is that you have no evidence at all, let alone anything that will change anyones mind. you are simply trying to stall until someone changes the subject and you can start a new thread and pretend nothing happened

thats my theory

skibum and stateofgrace are about to ruin it for everyone.


Default, you seem to have remarkable powers of precognition! Have you heard about this crazy Million-Dollar-Challenge thing?
 
skibum and stateofgrace are about to ruin it for everyone.
hmm, so you have evidence of who was responsible for the execution of the 9/11 attacks, but you will withhold it because we dont behave exactly as you request

correct me if im wrong, but wouldnt withholding evidence of this magnitude be a felony? i know withholding evidence in a homocide is a crime, and im sure 9/11 is at least a homocide

so, if the "truth" ever does come out, and we learn that you had proof all this time ill be sure that you are charged as an acessory to whatever crime the conspirators are charged with
 
skibum and stateofgrace are about to ruin it for everyone.

All you need now is to use your brain, find some real facts, find better better videos, stop using your videos from Halifaxion (a know CT agent and misleader), and get some better education. Someone has mislead you and told you not to think for yourself.

I have to agree with Skibum and SOG, you are not very good at presenting anything.

All everyone know is you believe explosives were used to bring down the WTC. You happen to be wrong, and you will never have any hard evidence. (videos are kind of soft)
 
May I second Beachnut when he says:



plane hits building, building burns, building falls

If you have physics and an engineering degree, or just plain read a lot, you can fill in the blanks.


and add something from another thread that I've never seen confronted by a Truther:

Man I gotta get me some of these explosives!

1) Totally resistant to fire. I could put them in fire for 6 hours and nothing would happen to them!

2) Invisible! No one can see them sticking out of a column all wired up.

And I should hire one of those demolition teams that can place nearly 50 floors worth of explosives - TOTALLY UN-NOTICED!



That's a 9 storey building demolished by CDI. That's the work it took to bring down 9 storeys. 1/5th the height of WTC7.

So assuming that WTC7 was demolished (which it clearly wasn't), how do you explain:

1)

Either
a) Hundreds of Demolition workers working in an extremely short amount of time. All of them go un-noticed. NONE speak out.

b) Few demolition workers working in the building over a LOOONG period of time. Over their whole work period no one notices them and none of them speak out.

2)

Seeing as WTC7 was 50 storeys, I will re-evaluate standard proceedure to suit this WTC7 situation.

"In 24 days, A 60 person loading crew placed 20,590 separate charges in 5,500 locations on 49 levels of the structure. Over 180,000 ft. of detonating cord and 22,560 non-electric delay devices were installed in the implosion initiation system."

So if we take the example from the 9 storey building and roughly alter it to suit a 50 storey building. We have an utterly ridiculous scenario.

(I stress roughly, but I'm not trying to be 100% accurate - I'm making a point. These figures would be pretty close to what would be needed to bring down WTC7):

So you're telling us that roughly -

60 Demolition Workers
20,590 Explosive Charges*
180,000ft of detonating cord
22,560 delay devices

ALL went undetected during detonation* and beforehand?

It took over 4,000 charges to bring down a 9 storey building. They problem with YOUR story is that you can't now say that the fire attributed because you've denied it existed. You've ruled out the possibility of structural failure so you can't now claim that damage attributed to the collapse. The only thing that could have brought this building down, according to you, is a controlled demolition.

So tell me in the name of christ how could such an operation go un-noticed!

Nice hole you've dug yourself into.
 
Can I help ruin it, too?

(I really don't want to discuss my metal-eating Brazilian termite theories with these non-believers.)
 
One can only hope that this is, finally, your first accurate post.

You have been provided with the flimsiest of excuses to go running with your tail between your legs.

You have fooled no one.

If there are any lurkers here who would like anything cleared up, I urge them to post any questions. Otherwise, it is very clear that each of 28K's allegations has been dealt with; quotes have been found to have been retracted, taken out of context, or irrelevant. Claims of explosive collapse have been countered with both theory and video evidence of walls collapsing inward. Logical fallacies have been pointed out. 28K has nothing.

Unless he brings his first piece of actual evidence, this one is done; again, if any lurkers have questions, you can readily identify people in this thread who would be able to answer them.
 
skibum and stateofgrace are about to ruin it for everyone.

Oh, come on. How about if I promise to really really hate them for five minutes? Will you PM me the electrifying evidence you have? Pleeeeeease?

Oh, and my theory:

Invisible pixes with sledgehammers ran around the perimeter smashing out the outer columns, while one really P.O.'d giant ogre smashed out the core. That explains why the core failed last, as the giant ogre wasn't as fast as the invisble pixes. Oh, and the giant ogre wasn't invisible, he was just dust-coloured, and hence really well-camoflaged.
 
I have been lurking and I have a question. What does GFY mean? I do hope it's not what I think...
This thread is by no means the worst, but I'm sure it used to be much more civil around here.
Just my two cents.
 
I have been lurking and I have a question. What does GFY mean? I do hope it's not what I think...
This thread is by no means the worst, but I'm sure it used to be much more civil around here.
Just my two cents.

Yeah, it stands for what you think it stands for.
 
28 Kingdom,

I have previously posted this post in this thread.

Clearly you did not read it, so I post it again for you. Please take the time to read it thoroughly.


28 Kingdom,

I understand you have some trouble working your way through the NIST report. To make things easier for you, I have created a simplified series of diagrams that display the progression of the WTC collapses.



1 - Here we have a tower, fully intact. Note the floor trusses, exterior columns, and core columns.

2 - This is just after impact. Red indicates fire, and grey smoke. Notice how the fire spreads rapidly across the impact zone.

3 - The fire spreads rapidly through the upper floors. Notice localised floor collapses, as documented by 9-1-1 calls from people trapped inside. By this stage the fire is causing floor trusses inside the impact zone to sag (well documented) and this in turn is pulling in the exterior columns (also well documented).

4 - Things are really bad now. The bowing of the exterior columns has reached critical point, and the exterior columns have failed, collapsing inwards. The floor trusses, with nothing holding them at the exterior, fall downwards.

5 - The core in the impact zone was weakened by impact and fires - as per testimony from victims and the NYPD aviation unit. With the exterior columns now failed, the core in the impact zone is trying to hold the entire weight of the upper floors. Meanwhile the failed exterior columns and floor trusses are falling onto lower floors, which in turn are stripped from their mounts by the force of impact.

6 - The core is unable to hold the weight of the building, so, unsurprisingly, it fails in the impact zone. The upper floors smash down into the carnage left as the floor trusses continue to fall through more floors. As the top falls inside the exterior columns it pushes them outwards.

7 - The more intact core below the impact zone offers more resistance, and the upper floors begin to disintegrate under the enormous colision forces. Exterior columns shear away from the structure and peel outwards, crashing into neighbouring buildings. The floors and their contents continue downwards, forcing debris through windows.

8 - By now the smoke is obscuring much of the building. The upper floors have all but disintegrated. The floors are crashing down still, and the exterior columns continue to sheer away and fall to earth. The only part of the structure still intact is the lower core, though it has suffered damage.

9 - The majority of the collapse has finished, and the last of the debris falls into a large pile. Only the core remains standing, though it is severly damaged.

10 - The core is unable to support itself in its devastated state, and it too fails.

11 - The tower has completely collapsed, leaving nothing but a large pile of debris. Note the buried fires, which will continue to burn amidst the fuel-rich rubble for weeks.

Any questions?

-Gumboot
 
I have been lurking and I have a question. What does GFY mean? I do hope it's not what I think...
This thread is by no means the worst, but I'm sure it used to be much more civil around here.
Just my two cents.

Yes you are correct it is not the done thing and as such I will edit it out of my post.

It is also not the done thing to accuse people of mass murder, with nothing other than you tube videos. It is not the done thing to have lots and lots of people explain over and over again why this accusation as not true.

It is equally not the done thing to mock the suffering of those inside the Towers by saying there were no fire or they were not hot enough. Equally so it is not the done thing to try to lie down the law to those that have taken the time to try and reason with you say they must put forward a written theory for this thread to continue.

Those that make the accusation carry the burden of proof and as such the done thing is that the accuser presents his case. In this instance there has been no case, no evidence and nothing in the way of recognition of the work and effort that has gone into to trying to explain that charges of mass murder should not be brought about lightly.
 
Everyone who is actively involved in this thread...must write out a summary of their theory just like TAM has so eloquently done here...before I will present my closing statements.

Thanks.
I submitted maybe 4 or 5 posts to this thread, would you consider that actively involved? They were basically smartass posts and as we know each smartass post is the equivalent of 3 normal posts. And none of them suggested Godzilla as the perp, which is worth 2 bonus posts at least.

Anyway I buried the lead, up above. My theory summary is an invisibility-cloaked Godzilla which rises every 7 years (like Spock's mating cycle) to wreak havoc on the nearest city or quadrant of a large country.

I can send this to you in calligraphy if you'd like and if it will get me like a better seat, up front, when you present your closing statements?
 

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