Fire, steel, and 911.

beachnut said:
I was hoping you would have some value.
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Sigh, me too. 28th has presented nothing, absolutely nothing new that hasn't been entirely debunked many, many times before. Why does pdoh...er....28th keep trying on this particular forum?
 
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28th Kingdom said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u_k217RkUo
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I've watched the video of this probably more times than you, hundreds of times. Why do you think you are showing me new evidence?

28th Kingdom said:
Watch, and notice how the floors below the toppling upper floors....are descending towards the earth at a faster rate than the now detached upper floors.
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That statement is very unclear. If you are saying that the floors at the impact zone are falling faster than the top of the building itself, that is clearly a ridiculous statement. Even if there is a slight difference (which would hardly be discernible from eyeballing this video), it does not deny the forces bearing down on the lower portion from the upper portion. Once again, you are saying the upper portion has magically begun "floating in the air" as the lower portion collapses. Either that, or again, you are assuming CD to posit CD (circular logic).

Let's try this another way. Let me tell you what I see:
The top of the building tilts over, but still forces its weight down on the lower portion of the building, pushing down its megatons and collapsing it. In fact, I see collapse initiating slightly prior to any tilting being visible.

Let's try this a third way:
Do you deny that the top of the building exerts downward gravitational force on the lower portion, even as it's tilting (48-49 seconds into this YT video)?

If so, why?

If not, why is that force not sufficient to cause collapse of the lower portion of the tower?

28th Kingdom said:
Also, once again....I'm not going play semantic-go-seek...CD is being used to cover ALL forms of planted explosives in the buildings...OKAY?!?!
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I did not question what "form" of explosives you were proposing -- I'm questioning the presence of any form of explosive in the towers.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Sigh, me too. 28th has presented nothing, absolutely nothing new that hasn't been entirely debunked many, many times before. Why does pod...er....28th keep trying on this particular forum?
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I want facts now. ; Please 28th, find something new, some facts.

Did he just wake up?

Is it Docker back as 28th?

This does not even beat "That Girl" (tv land marathon)
 
28th Kingdom said:
"This may come as a massive shock to you but things inside burning building explode. They get hot and, hey they explode."

Really? What types of things explode? You mean like aerosol cans and stuff like that right? And you are kidding, right? And, you did hear those firefighter recordings where they say explosions are going off on floors 8, floors 10 floors 13...I hate to break the news to you, but there wasn't even any fire down there, babe. We're talking about 60+ stories below the crash point. But, still you want to adhere to some hole-ridden theory, based in pure conjecture, over what american heros have reported from the front line. You'd rather question these mens' character than, accept the fact that maybe...just maybe, you are wrong and that there were explosives in the buildings.
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This is science?!?

:dl:
 
28th Kingdom said:
What part of the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department said he thought EXPLOSIVES were planted in the building don't you understand?
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Are you referring to Albert Turi? Have you PERSONALLY spoken to him? Have you done ANY independent research or do you only rely on what you can Google and Utube?
 
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28th Kingdom said:
What part of the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department said he thought EXPLOSIVES were planted in the building don't you understand?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHluIkUycA
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(1) I did not hear him say it. I heard a news reporter say he said it.

Let's say I give the benefit of the doubt that he did say it, and was quoted fairly accurately:

(2) He said it in the heat of battle. People say a lot of things under stress, when they don't know all the facts, that they later realize are untrue. I make assumptions all the time, that I realize later are incorrect. Has this never happened to you? If not, what a sheltered life you lead.

(3) He heard explosions and assumed there were explosives. It was not a bad assumption, under the circumstances of the day and the terrorist attacks in motion at the time. That doesn't mean he still believes what he heard were explosives. Have you contacted him and asked him? If not, why not? Are you afraid of his answer?

Answer my question, now, please.
 
Trigood said:
That statement is very unclear. If you are saying that the floors at the impact zone are falling faster than the top of the building itself, that is clearly a ridiculous statement. Even if there is a slight difference (which would hardly be discernible from eyeballing this video), it does not deny the forces bearing down on the lower portion from the upper portion. Once again, you are saying the upper portion has magically begun "floating in the air" as the lower portion collapses. Either that, or again, you are assuming CD to posit CD (circular logic).
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Now, look back at my theory of the lower floors...where I state the illusion of collapsing floors created by a downward sequence of planted explosives firing off. So, basically what I'm saying is that the top floors are a mass of steel and such that is actually falling to the earth via the force of gravity...and that the lower floors...aren't actually falling at all...they are blowing up one by one top to bottom is a very neat and ordered downward progression. So that's how they (the lower floors) could definitely appear to move downward a lot quicker than the actual falling mass of upper floors.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Are you referring to Albert Turi? Have you PERSONALLY spoken to him? Have you done ANY independent research or do you only rely on what you can Google and Utube?
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Have you done any independent research...or do you blindly adhere to the garbage that the NIST feeds you? You know garbage theories...that have no actual bases in reality. No physical evidence...just some entangled words...strewn together, which can probably be interpreted in many different ways...why haven't they taken the time to create a visual simulation or animation so that we can actually see what the heck they're talking about. That would help things a lot. But, I guess they're too afraid of that...since it would look utterly ridiculous.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Beach,
You sit back and think you have debunked something real and substantial...when in reality, you've only "cherry picked," the easy to ridicule, fringe theories and that's the victory you like to revel in as you dismiss any hard evidence as fluff and junk...while casting yer ad hominem invectives in an impassioned fervor.
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Give me something to debunk that is real? Real evidence, do you have some hard facts?

You presented what you call fluff, tons of fluff. I even found Alex Jones talking in your fluff.

Stop the junk, fluff, and give us your good stuff. We have seen your junk and fluff, where is the hard evidence?
 
28th Kingdom said:
they are blowing up one by one top to bottom is a very neat and ordered downward progression.
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Since you seem to get all your information from conspiracy websites let me inform you that the collapse of WTC 1 & 2 was not "very neat and ordered". Do you know that 40 other buildings (and two subway stations) were either completely or partically destroyed?
 
28th Kingdom said:
Have you done any independent research...or do you blindly adhere to the garbage that the NIST feeds you?
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No, I blindly adhere to the findings of the world's leading authority on structural failure.....water filtration manager Kevin Ryan. His theories make me all wet....I like to be wet....gonna make me sweat....Good God! Hot tub! :p
 
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