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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

You want proof....buildings CANNOT collapse as fast as free fall speed or even faster! That's just the law of PHYSICS people. Okay, completely rooted in science. Please, prove me wrong. I am saying by the laws of nature, a building cannot collapse through resistance...at speeds that are as fast as free fall or EVEN FASTER! And, I never said NYFD are liars...so please DON'T imply that. NYFD are true heros...and believe it or not us CT are the only ones trying to seek true justice for them.

Laws of physics eh.

Seen many building fall faster than gravity can bring them down have you ?

Yes the NYFD are heros and I’m sure they would not take too kindly to you questioning them when they insist they pulled the firefighting operation to save WTC 7.

Now, thesis please.
 
Honestly, guess what. You convinced me I'm wrong. Really. I can't even believe it. Something just came over me...

...daydream believer...

Okay, no need to continue this thread. Wow...I'm awake!! Finally...for the first time. NIST...you little packet of divine wisdom and knowledge...where have you been all my life?
 
Geez, even I know what's so blatantly ignorant about that line of argument...unless the FBI was also wrong about bin Laden being a Muslim.

You know, you are one of the few people I've seen that make that connection. Thank you.:)
 
The best way to help 28th understand what we need, please only reply with links ot the reports that adequately answers his questions. ONLY the links. This way, we dont have 20+ some odd people replying with the same things over and over again to the same quesiton.


Just link to the links as posted by Maccy, and 28th, until you've read those links and the reports, please dont reply unless you have a question about an aspect of the reports you dont understand.

Otherwise, we are just beating a dead horse.
 
Could we all please refer to the NYFD as the FDNY? [/nitpick]

;)
 
Honestly, guess what. You convinced me I'm wrong. Really. I can't even believe it. Something just came over me...

...daydream believer...

Okay, no need to continue this thread. Wow...I'm awake!! Finally...for the first time. NIST...you little packet of divine wisdom and knowledge...where have you been all my life?

Finally. Welcome aboard 28K. You'll find your dark sunglasses and black suit just outside the JREF hallway. Please leave us with an alternate address, different from your home address, so we can send your first "shill" cheque promptly.

TAM:)
 
Guess what? I'm right-handed, but eat mostly with my left. Does that make me an imposter?

I was born left handed, forced to be right handed in preschool, then when I broke my right wrist in elementary school, i retrained to do things with my left hand

I still write with my right hand, however, Im a lefty when it comes to baseball/softball (throws with the left hand, bats lefthanded). I can cut meat both as right handed and left (irriated my mother ^_^) and i can use chopsticks in either hand (irritates my sister). It helps to be able to switch off if you sit next to someone that bumps elbows while they eat.

Oh and I can write with both hands now. And the funny thing is my signature is the same with both hands....that is something that even a graphologist found very odd.

[/end threadjack]
 
On the FBI's own website...the say OBL is left-handed...but the imposter bafoon in the supposed OBL confessional video is seen eating and writing with his right hand. WHOOPSIE!

you only eat with your right hand your left hand is evil to eat with, these guys are from an ancient society, they are not allowed to eat with the left hand. (poopie)

This shows how scholarly you really are. Good job 28th

go back to school quick

many will tell you
 
whoops hold on. I wipe with my right hand,, does that make me wipidextrous? Was that question number 5? or uhhh 4? or are we off that now?
 
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Yes. You are clearly an impostor of yourself. You all claim yourselves to be such skeptical critical thinkers, but I have just presented IRREFUTABLE evidence that NobbyNobbs is not actually the real NobbyNobbs, but that in fact, NobbyNobbs is. Yet you all refuse to see what's right in front of you in black and white! I don't know what else it's going to take. This is so obviously the truth and if you'll all just meditate with me I'm sure you'll come to understand.

Damn, now I'm going to have to go back into hiding. It was wiping myself with the right hand that gave it away, wasn't it?
 
Although his neighbors later claimed that that occurred previous to the Wright Brothers' flights in 1903, Pearse himself claimed:
1. It was in 1904
2. He never achieved controlled flight.


Pearse misled people for years with confusing statements. He really didn't understand the significance of what he'd done. However the witnesses and reports of an earlier flight have been verified.

In 1902 he made brief "hops" of flight, and in 1903 flights of several hundred metres, uncontrolled. (Uncontrolled because Pearse's patented "ailerons" were located at the centre of gravity in stalled air, and lacked enough influence at the speed his 15hp engine could maintain).

George Bolt researched Pearse in the 1960's, including recoving his original aircraft, and determined the early 1903 flights did occur (for example some of the witnesses were not in the area in 1904, having moved away). Replicas of both the 1902 and 1903 models have been shown to be capable of flight.

-Gumboot
 
I am no expert, have never claimed to be.

Here is what NIST had to say wrt probable cause of WTC7s Collapse (paraphrased, not directly quoted, to save my hands from carpal tunnel syndrome):

1. Debris from WTCs caused damage to the perimeter moment frame and some interior core framing on the south side of the building. This debris caused the severing of about 25-33% of the south side perimeter columns.

2. Reports indicate that Debris caused damage to the bottom 15-20 floors (GF to F15-20).

3. Extent of structure and fireproofing damage, caused by debris, to the core framing, is unknown.

4. Damage to elevators occured at columns 69-78 at floors 8 and 9.

5. Fires were observed after 2PM on Floors 7,8,9,11,12,13, and possibly 5.

6. A Vertical collapse appears to have occured after interior columns 79,80, and/or 81 failed. The failure progressed vertically upward from initiation to the roof level.

7. The debris from this 40 Storey collapse (Floor 7 upward), upon coming down upon the remaining floors, would have created lateral forces that would have caused the remaining core columns to fail. This failure occured approximately 5 seconds after the penthouse failed.

8. The failure of the core columns caused too great a load, even with redistribution, causing failure of the cantilever girders on the north side. The remaining perimeter support framing (columns) were left unsupported, or already taken down via the interior collapse.

The above resulted in a global collapse with few external signs prior to system failure. It is suggestive of a classic progressive collapse.

TAM
 
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