Fire, steel, and 911.

P D'oh the 28th said:
Retail and Bell,

In this video, Silverstein, says that they decided to pull it because, the fire commander SUPPOSEDLY told Larry, that he (the fire commander) didn't think they could contain the fires in WTC 7. Honestly, do you think a fire commander would ever say...they couldn't contain a fire...especially one that is so small you can't even see it from three sides of the building?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

And, some of you shouldn't be so mean with the name calling...come on guys.
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At least you proved me wrong by answering. Kudos.

Anyhow, did you also notic Silverstein talked about the tremendous loss of live? 343 firefighters, and some 2800 people in total. How does that relate to blowing up a building?
 
28th Kingdom said:
Retail and Bell,

In this video, Silverstein, says that they decided to pull it because, the fire commander SUPPOSEDLY told Larry, that he (the fire commander) didn't think they could contain the fires in WTC 7. Honestly, do you think a fire commander would ever say...they couldn't contain a fire...especially one that is so small you can't even see it from three sides of the building?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

And, some of you shouldn't be so mean with the name calling...come on guys.
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show us more expert utube truth giver of bs
 
Dazed said:
Thanks for the good answers. I think this piece of information is key, along with the fact that there actually was some tilting going on that isn't obvious. If anyone else can elaborate on the actual behaviour of the steel in building 7 during the collapse it would be welcome.
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I can help a little here.

When the plane impacted the building there was a massive amount of structural damage which was apparent in the pictures and videos that we have all seen. What we couldn't see was that there was, without a doubt, a great deal of damage not visible to the naked eye.

Any small nicks or gouges in the load bearing members became stress risers. If cracks form at a stress riser (highly likely in this situation) then the crack can propogate and eventually lead to the failure of that particular structural member.

Heat from the fires would cause more problems as thermal expansion and the general weakening of steel. If the steel becomes too weak and starts to bend due to the forces acting upon it can reach a stage called plastic deformation. This is where the steel cannot return to it's origional shape. Necking of the steel occurs; the steel thins and stretches until it reaches fracture and again the failure of that specific member.

Also when steel is heated and cooled in a non-uniform way it tends to distort and bend. A great deal of distortion could cause tensile forces strong enough to break connections leading to the failure of structural components.

Any welding defects present in the fillet welds located at connections could also cause failure of a specific member to occur.

The collapse of the towers and WTC 7 are not as simple as some would have you think.
 
So I send video evidence...and you knock it because it's on youtube...as if youtube created the video or something. The fact is...the video I just posted is COMPELLING evidence that it's a CD. Someone here, show me compelling evidence, that WTC 7 collapsed in the way that is so improbable, that you can't even articulate it...you know, I'm still waiting for someone to actually tell me how they think it collapsed, without linking me to the NIST report. I'd like to think that critical-thinkers can opine for themselves without having some "experts" report do it for them.

And, please...why must you all continue with name calling? Do you think that will grab my attention or something? In fact, those who call me names, will probably never get anything answered to. I'm not here to fight or try to push others down to prop myself up. I know the truth, the truth is evident...and the truth is that WTC 7 was brought down by a CD.

You ask for proof. But, you tell me one thing that I could present...that would seriously make you question what you already believe about WTC 7? Such proof doesn't even exist does it? I could get a video of Bush saying he was involved...and it really wouldn't mean anything...I have a video of Rumsfield saying flight 93 was shot down...and you people would glance by that like it didn't mean a thing. How do I ever prove a point?
 
Just watched the video. Larry even says that the fire commander said he couldn't contain the fire and they made the decision to "pull", aka bail out. They as in the NYFD. Larry never mentioned anything about HIMSELF giving the order or any other outside forces.

28th is just another idiot calling the firefighters liars.
 
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Holy crap,

Wowzer. I'm implying that LARRY is lying...and that the Fire chief NEVER said they couldn't contain it. Was that not evident? I'm saying the story Larry is telling is 100% BS. What fire chief would ever say that they (NYFD) couldn't contain a fire? Especially one that is so small you can't even see it from three sides of the building. And, all of the NYFD was ordered out of the building soon after the first two buildings collapsed....so pull, was not about pulling men from WTC 7, because everyone was out hours ahead of time.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Holy crap,

Wowzer. I'm implying that LARRY is lying...and that the Fire chief NEVER said they couldn't contain it. Was that not evident? I'm saying the story Larry is telling is 100% BS. What fire chief would ever say that they (NYFD) couldn't contain a fire? Especially one that is so small you can't even see it from three sides of the building. And, all of the NYFD was ordered out of the building soon after the first two buildings collapsed....so pull, was not about pulling men from WTC 7, because everyone was out hours ahead of time.
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Holy crap indeed.
 
"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro
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http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Nigro_Daniel.txt

Are you calling this man a liar?
 
Someone send me the raging inferno of WTC 7 in pic or video form...I've seen a small fire poking out one window on one floor...is that all you got? Come on the entire world was watching and that's all you captured...please, just send me this so I can look like an idiot.

Thanks.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Someone send me the raging inferno of WTC 7 in pic or video form...I've seen a small fire poking out one window on one floor...is that all you got? Come on the entire world was watching and that's all you captured...please, just send me this so I can look like an idiot.

Thanks.
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Someone send me that battle of Waterloo in pic or video form. I'm sick of being forced to believe that the battle of Waterloo happened w/o pic or video evidence.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Holy crap,

Wowzer. I'm implying that LARRY is lying...and that the Fire chief NEVER said they couldn't contain it. Was that not evident? I'm saying the story Larry is telling is 100% BS. What fire chief would ever say that they (NYFD) couldn't contain a fire? Especially one that is so small you can't even see it from three sides of the building. And, all of the NYFD was ordered out of the building soon after the first two buildings collapsed....so pull, was not about pulling men from WTC 7, because everyone was out hours ahead of time.
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holy moon pies

wow

you have solved the pull it

pull it was said by your parents!!! when they pulled money for your education

it was a waste of money, so they pulled it
 
28th Kingdom said:
Someone send me the raging inferno of WTC 7 in pic or video form...I've seen a small fire poking out one window on one floor...is that all you got? Come on the entire world was watching and that's all you captured...please, just send me this so I can look like an idiot.

Thanks.
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You don't need all of that to look like an idiot.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Someone send me the raging inferno of WTC 7 in pic or video form...I've seen a small fire poking out one window on one floor...is that all you got? Come on the entire world was watching and that's all you captured...please, just send me this so I can look like an idiot.

Thanks.
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they are classified, we would have to "pull it" if you were to see them,

so we "pulled it" the plug on your life support, you have been declared brain dead
 
wish WTC7 had made it to the night, then the fire would have shown through, but we have witnesses but he will just say they are planted witnesses by the man, the big guy, them, the NWOPNACOHMYGODTHEYKILLEDKENNYGUYS
 
28th Kingdom said:
Holy crap,

Wowzer. I'm implying that LARRY is lying...and that the Fire chief NEVER said they couldn't contain it. Was that not evident? I'm saying the story Larry is telling is 100% BS. What fire chief would ever say that they (NYFD) couldn't contain a fire? Especially one that is so small you can't even see it from three sides of the building. And, all of the NYFD was ordered out of the building soon after the first two buildings collapsed....so pull, was not about pulling men from WTC 7, because everyone was out hours ahead of time.
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Do you know who Daniel Nigro is? Do you know what he did on 9/11 at the WTC? Before you go spouting bs and blaming anybody for lying you really should look into who Daniel Nigro is and then you can blame Loose Change for lying. Then it would be nice if you would post a public apology to Larry Silverstein for calling him a liar and the same for the NYFD.
 
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