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This is the thread that may very well change the way you look at 9/11 FOREVER!

28th Kingdom said:
Why do so many people take the above report as the holy grail for what happened to the buildings? For one, it says that no seismograph detected the explosions..and we know that's a COMPLETE lie. There were several seismographs in the area that picked up the vibrations from the explosions.
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Really? Where is this information?

ETA: And they do show that the vibrations are indeed from explosives and not explosions from other sources and/or the collapse of the building itself?
 
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28th Kingdom said:
Why do so many people take the above report as the holy grail for what happened to the buildings?
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because they are experts in the field and would know the terms they used.

For one, it says that no seismograph detected the explosions..and we know that's a COMPLETE lie. There were several seismographs in the area that picked up the vibrations from the explosions.
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What explosives? No explosives were used or detected. The only seismographs readings were from the collapses. Various inept people have tried to interpet the seismograph charts as showing explosives, but they simply don't know what they are talking about.

So you don't have a 'COMPLETE lie', or any lie for that matter.
 
ConspiRaider said:
28th Kingdom, acknowledge.

This is Red Leader of ConspiRaider Squadron 49 on your six, requesting that you bail out of your damaged CT-15 aircraft, sir. We have been shadowing your aircraft for quite some time and are alarmed at the amount of damage you have sustained. Please click your mike twice to acknowledge, sir. Thank you.
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:D

And welcome, I might add.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Why do so many people take the above report as the holy grail for what happened to the buildings? For one, it says that no seismograph detected the explosions..and we know that's a COMPLETE lie. There were several seismographs in the area that picked up the vibrations from the explosions.
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Pre-emptively, consider the following thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1917271#post1917271

And the point at which it went irretrievably pear-shaped: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1962535#post1962535

We've seen it all, pal. Honestly. The loons who you've been listening to haven't come up with anything new, and it's all unmitigated crap.
 
28th Kingdom said:
Why do so many people take the above report as the holy grail for what happened to the buildings? For one, it says that no seismograph detected the explosions..and we know that's a COMPLETE lie. There were several seismographs in the area that picked up the vibrations from the explosions.
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False. The LDEO seismographs in Palisades and the Protec seismographs in downtown Manhattan detected no sign of explosives. The LDEO and Protec EXPLICITLY state this. In addition, demolitions experts who saw WTC 7 fall at close range said there was zero sign of explosives use, and that the building was fully expected to collapse due to the severity of the fires. Please do your homework. Your posts have displayed such ignorance that I'm blushing for you.

As for building 7, I put together a paper about it that addresses all the misconceptions you have stated here. It's linked in my signature. But you'll have to read it to know what I mean. Sorry, no shortcuts.

Oh, and welcome, newcomer.

Now get to reading. Then address the specific conclusions of the investigators.
 
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Brainster said:
Was there a Question #2? So far my world has not been rocked.
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I'm just guessing, but I think it's: "Okay, let's pretend that the answer to Question 1 was 'no'; so we only have two choices: collapse by fire (which we'll pretend has never happened), or collapse by demolition."

Gotta love it when a plan comes together....
 
ConspiRaider said:
28th Kingdom, acknowledge.

This is Red Leader of ConspiRaider Squadron 49 on your six, requesting that you bail out of your damaged CT-15 aircraft, sir. We have been shadowing your aircraft for quite some time and are alarmed at the amount of damage you have sustained. Please click your mike twice to acknowledge, sir. Thank you.

Your left wing is shredded, sir, and your tail is in flames. The right wing is no longer visible. To blow the canopy please follow these instructions:

1. Sit down.
2. Put the cap back on the Jim Beam.
3. Do not sit in the lotus position, you will not be meditating.
4. Ease out the clutch, put the CT-15 in neutral.
5. Search for a suitable landing location.
6. For you - not the CT-15. It's toast.
7. Look for a large looped handle.
8. I realize you are looped, sir.
9. Place your right hand around loop, think of England.
10. "Pull it."

Please click your mike twice to acknowledge, CT-15.

Thank you and good luck.

Red Leader, ConspiRaider Squadron 49, out.
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WARNING WARNING WARNING
This an immediate broadcast message to ALL Wing Leaders >_>-b

the "large looped handle" on all CT-15s actually activates THIS

You have been advised.

Godspeed!
/WARNING WARNING WARNING
 
These surely are interesting videos, please check them out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkYCIaxgu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT95sx-8jOQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHluIkUycA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Wrnj8IBOI

Joe Casaliggi, NYC firefighter: "You have two 110-story office buildings. You don't find a desk, you don't find a chair, you don't find a telephone, a computer. The biggest piece of a telephone I found was half of the keypad, and it was about this big. The building collapsed to dust."
 
28th Kingdom said:
Use of, "Pull," referring to CD:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/kaboom/loizeaux.html

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/kingdome4.html

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqMode=1&reqLocId=6&reqItemId=20050317195824
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None of those links support that contention.

As is stated...Pull refers to the fact that the building is actually pulled in on itself.
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No, you claimed that "pull" refers to a CD. None of your links support that contention.

The only time the word "pull" is used in any of your links relates to a description of how the building is designed to fall, not to the act of CD itself. This one even describes the cables used to "pull" a building:
By torch-cutting splice plates on selected upper columns/floors, and utilizing approximately 3,000 feet of steel-core cable on alternate upper floors to help “pull” the northern and eastern walls away from the fiber optics cables in NE Third Avenue and Biscayne Boulevard.
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Is it your contention that WTC 7 had thousands of feet of cable attached to it?
 
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WilliamSeger said:
I'm just guessing, but I think it's: "Okay, let's pretend that the answer to Question 1 was 'no'; so we only have two choices: collapse by fire (which we'll pretend has never happened), or collapse by demolition."
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Ah, probably right. Of course, it's a false choice, since the obvious reply would be that the building was severely impacted by the collapse of the North Tower.

Here's one for 28th Kingdom:

Question: How many buildings surrounding the World Trade Center Towers either collapsed or had to be demolished?

Gotta love it when a plan comes together....
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It's ganging agley for this poor guy.
 
28th Kingdom,

Please before you start tapping away at your keyboard again, will you take the advise you have been given. that being read the links you have been provided and take note of the responses you have received.

As amusing as it maybe to see your theories get trashed over and over again, you are simply coming across as the all round conspirator, that simply buys every single conspiracy going.

You have make claim upon claim,all unsubstantiated, all of them trashed, maybe you should take stock of what you are saying before getting shot down again and again and.......


eta, forget that, too late.

More youtube evidence I see.
 
28th Kingdom said:
These surely are interesting videos, please check them out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkYCIaxgu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT95sx-8jOQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHluIkUycA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Wrnj8IBOI

Joe Casaliggi, NYC firefighter: "You have two 110-story office buildings. You don't find a desk, you don't find a chair, you don't find a telephone, a computer. The biggest piece of a telephone I found was half of the keypad, and it was about this big. The building collapsed to dust."
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Would you acre to go back and defend your assertion that implosionworld.com lied in its article, or are you just another link-happy idjit who is arrogant enough to think he's the first to post any of his arguements?
 
You know what this is like? It's like watching the Zapruder film...and I'm like, "Kennedy was shot in the head." And, you are all like, "Um, no..are you crazy." I'm like...what are you talking about it...it's as clear as day...and you're like, "Um, no...the government said...he was actually shot in the side...which suddenly raised his blood pressure to a boiling point...which in turn caused a spontaneous acute aneurysm unlike the world had ever seen."

Cooool Conspiracy Theory Guys. ;)
 
28th Kingdom said:
These surely are interesting videos, please check them out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkYCIaxgu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT95sx-8jOQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHluIkUycA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Wrnj8IBOI
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Speculation from the day itself. How come these people aren't speaking out now? Also explosions do not mean explosives.

To repeat:

maccy said:
In addition to the above points, why doesn't the TV and video footage of WTC7 contain the noise of explosions that you normally hear in contolled demolitions?

Here is an example:



from:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69994

another relevant thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70047

NB in a controlled demolition, the explosions occur before the collapse.
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