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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Christophera said:
I'm not sure but it looks like one of us is. I met him in 2002 at the "House of Blues" at the "Red Nation Celebrationl" in Los Angeles where he was talking about working on the WTC while a couple of others, Navajo elders from WWII, talked about their being consultants on "Windtalkers" (I think it was called". I interviewed him in late 2004 or early 2005 over the phone and I remember he told me he started in 1968 on the towers (the steel didn't start until then.) He might have said, "I'm going to be 64 soon". So there is a lag in the arithmatic, maybe there isn't. I know it is very important to you to smear my credibility in some way, so get from it what you can.
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no not important to me at all chris. it seems very important to you though. i'm off out for a couple of pints and a bit of football with my mates. then i'm gonna see me grandkids and my daughters for a chinwag and some "quality time". i'm going to worry about what the mrs wants for her birthday, what to do about the mess in the garden, how to fix the bathroom sink, juggle some of the queens sterling for the next round of bills.....those are the things that are kinda "important" to me.

what i do here is a sideshow, a bit of entertainment like spending an hour watching the village miscreant humiliated in the stocks, cruel fun. the truth is you are entertaining chris, it's fun to watch your cretinous ideas bowled over every other post. it's fun because i like to see rational people put pay to the dangerous poison you try to spread.

in the meantime you should be charged with breach of the peace and sentenced to wear boxing gloves for a year. this'll limit your keyboard activity and perhaps improve your remarkable short-sightedness..............

so nice chattin.

BV
 
A W Smith said:
The huge welded plates that held the exterior columns together in threes are what resisted torsion and wind loading. Not the non existent concrete core. The core was all steel with two layers of 5/8 type X gypsum drywall on the core side of the fire walls with one layer of 5/8 type x on the exterior or office side of the fire walls. Also all concrete used in the towers was lightweight concrete with perlite, pumice, rotary fired shale and slag additives which weighs 90#-115# cu ft compared to 140#-150# cu ft. of conventional concrete. the difference being quite substantial when you are talking about adding approximatly 12 to 17 PSF of the designed 100 PSF live load capacity to the typical floor by removing the equivalent in dead load. Add up the total floor area and you factor in a cost savings in steel to support that reduced dead load alone.
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I spoke to a gentleman who worked on the towers from the beginning of the excavation to the end of construction, and what he told me about the core agrees exactly with this--down to the thickness of the drywall. I'd take his word over the (mythical?) Mohawk's any day.
 
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The demo scenario I've assembled is for the experts, and they are terrified or paid off.
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What, all of us Chris?

Are you sure?

How many qualified architects and engineers are there in the US? In Europe? In the world?

Heck, how many are in countries opposed to the US?

And we're all in on the plot?!?

Wow!
 
Chris has:

1. No substantive evidence

2. Used (Or invented) false evidence that is shown as such

3. Changed the detail of his story several times.

4. Blatantly misinterpreted photographs posted by himself and us.

5. Refused to engage in meanginful discourse.

Clearly a career in politics awaits him.
 
Architect said:
Chris has:

1. No substantive evidence

2. Used (Or invented) false evidence that is shown as such

3. Changed the detail of his story several times.

4. Blatantly misinterpreted photographs posted by himself and us.

5. Refused to engage in meanginful discourse.

Clearly a career in politics awaits him.
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Everytime Chris makes a wild claim, show him this quote:

Christophera said:
We will be sticking with the AVAILABLE evidence.
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Christophera said:
You and homer ought to rent a room together.

They were transported in short sections and butt welded to for single complete full length columns.
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Hey, you are the one who's claiming that there were 1300 foot steel columns in the twin towers. I've been claiming that there were shorter columns welded together, exactly as you stated for the Sears Tower. So are we now in agreement that there could have been steel columns that were welded together in the towers?
 
Christophera said:
If you haven't been reading to find out the core was covered with a temporary floor while the core was being cast, then you are just lazy and thus ignorant.
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Another ridiculous assertion. There would be no reason to install a floor before building the core, then tearing out the floor and pouring concrete, and then putting in another floor.

Where do you come up with a 400 foot concrete wall?

More ignornace?

The core was 80 x 120 inside.
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More ignorance on your part. You have claimed that the rebar was spaced 4 feet apart and that there were 100 or more in a line. 4 x 100 = 400. Obviously you just made up both of those numbers.
 
Christophera's INFO damaged by zaayrdragon

zaayrdragon said:
Let me fix this for you>>>

Christophera's INFO damaged by zaayrdragon said:
You are in error. Here is a view of some metallic debris which is probably some external facing and some of the core columns during collapes.. Her is an image of the same view showingmetallic debris at too low of a resolution to make out fine details.

No thanks are necessary.
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If you seriously think you fixed something, you are out of the technical discussion.
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Christophera said:
Hey Blue Mountain, are you ever going to read this thread to determine I've answered just about every question that can be asked, if I can?

So, ............. are you lazy?

The lower mechanical floors are 41, 42 & 43.
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Christophera, I have every page of this saga archived on my computer so I can search it.

This discussion started on page 125 when you said the Skylobby was on floor 42, which is wrong. I called you on it and asked you to give me the floor numbers of the mechanical floors. You managed to get the answer wrong even though Bell posted the correct answer before you did!

On page 230, you again incorrectly labelled the 43rd floor as mechanical. On page 236, I asked again about which floors contained the mechanical equipment. And again, even though the correct answer has been given at least twice in this thread, usually within a few posts of you giving the wrong answer, you still manage to get the answer wrong!

In addition, there were mechanical floors above the halfway point of the towers that, to my recollection and searching through this thread, you have never even acknowledged existed. By failing to include those floors in the answer I quoted, you managed to compound your wrong answer by giving only half the necessary information.

Yes, you've answered just about every question posed to you, with an enormous amount of obfuscation and hand-waving. A lot of the time, too, you simply get the answer wrong. Even for things which are well documented and could be found with a simple web search.

It is any wonder no one else in the entire 9/11 conspiracy theory community takes you seriously?

Once again, Christophera, please demonstrate to us that you have even rudimentary research skills by showing us which floors in WTC 1 & 2 were regarded as "mechanical" floors.
Bonus points for:
1) Showing the sources you used
2) Correctly indicating which floors were Skylobbies
3) Correctly indicating the documented use of the 43rd floor (it was different in WTC 1 & 2, according to my sources)
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Another ridiculous assertion. There would be no reason to install a floor before building the core, then tearing out the floor and pouring concrete, and then putting in another floor.
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The elevator guide rail supports and rail alignment benefitted greatly from having a temporary platform to work from.

Do you think they cut holes in the final floor for the elevators, duh?

TellyKNeasuss said:
More ignorance on your part. You have claimed that the rebar was spaced 4 feet apart and that there were 100 or more in a line. 4 x 100 = 400. Obviously you just made up both of those numbers.
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You've got me with the above. Thirty 3" rebar on 4' centers. There are 20 across the cameras view and they are visible which means the assertion of the deniers that a 3 inch rebar will not resolve in a pixel is completely erroneous. Or, simply waving around make sthe needed exposure. Whatever, the fine veritcal elements are definitely there and very small.

I really do not sweat small details when such BIG ones are so erroneouly evaluated and ignored.
 
Blue Mountain said:
Christophera, I have every page of this saga archived on my computer so I can search it.

This discussion started on page 125 when you said the Skylobby was on floor 42, which is wrong. I called you on it and asked you to give me the floor numbers of the mechanical floors. You managed to get the answer wrong even though Bell posted the correct answer before you did!

On page 230, you again incorrectly labelled the 43rd floor as mechanical. On page 236, I asked again about which floors contained the mechanical equipment. And again, even though the correct answer has been given at least twice in this thread, usually within a few posts of you giving the wrong answer, you still manage to get the answer wrong!

In addition, there were mechanical floors above the halfway point of the towers that, to my recollection and searching through this thread, you have never even acknowledged existed. By failing to include those floors in the answer I quoted, you managed to compound your wrong answer by giving only half the necessary information.

Yes, you've answered just about every question posed to you, with an enormous amount of obfuscation and hand-waving. A lot of the time, too, you simply get the answer wrong. Even for things which are well documented and could be found with a simple web search.

It is any wonder no one else in the entire 9/11 conspiracy theory community takes you seriously?

Once again, Christophera, please demonstrate to us that you have even rudimentary research skills by showing us which floors in WTC 1 & 2 were regarded as "mechanical" floors.
Bonus points for:
1) Showing the sources you used
2) Correctly indicating which floors were Skylobbies
3) Correctly indicating the documented use of the 43rd floor (it was different in WTC 1 & 2, according to my sources)
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See the post before this. When deniers repeatedly ignore and erroneously evaluate VERY BIG issues, I can hardly care about the little stuff.

In other words, when evidence is removed and destroyed in 3,000 capitol crimes, building plans are made unavailable to investigatiing agencies., or private investigations are blocked in what is supposed to be a collapse, little, petty details do not matter.

Your insistence on those inconsequential matters being important makes you a supporter of the infiltration of the US government and a protector of the lies that muderers hide behind.
 
Christophera said:
In other words, when evidence is removed and destroyed in 3,000 capitol crimes, building plans are made unavailable to investigatiing agencies., or private investigations are blocked in what is supposed to be a collapse, little, petty details do not matter.
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You can get the building plans, but you will have to use money.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Hey, you are the one who's claiming that there were 1300 foot steel columns in the twin towers. I've been claiming that there were shorter columns welded together, exactly as you stated for the Sears Tower. So are we now in agreement that there could have been steel columns that were welded together in the towers?
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Welded makes them "one piece", just as I said they were. You need to be specific.
 
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