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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Christophera said:
The view is partly blocked on the right side as if concrete forms are being built or the core, which was divided in 2 on the long axis by a central shear wall made into part of the cells by the floors, meaning the core could be built 1 side at a time.
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You are now claiming that the building was completely built and all after that was the core built. This completely contradicts what you said earlier.

The documentary was about WTC 1 so explaining what is going on in the right image of WTC 2 is not inherently easy. WTC core was very different having 2 hallways in each direction and from the other images of it under construction, I get the impression that the process of casting the combined cell/shearwall core was also quite different. Often, it appears, allowing more floors before requiring the core catch up. Certainly that would add speed to construction and we know WTC went faster. So that is probably what we are seeing
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Who made this documentary? If you remember the exact details of everything in it, then you must remember the names of some of the people involved.

Since you have no reasonable explanation for the image of the WTC core, it is not like my inability to completely explain your image actually says there was no concrete core.
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What proof have you offered that it is 17 foot thick concrete? I say that it isn't. Prove that I'm wrong.

Certainly there is no proof for the steel core columns in anything you have posted.
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I guess only pictures in which the details are obscured by smoke and dust count as proof in your opinion.

Below is an explanation of the hallways of WTC 2 looking to the south which matches the southward view you've posted.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4437&stc=1&d=1165549280
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Why aren't these features apparent in the floors above where you've drawn lines? Why is what you claim to be the core not centered in the building?
 
What about the mechanical rooms and the "thinner walls", Chris? You made a claim, I showed you counter evidence. Got any proof there was only one mechanical floor and that the walls got thinner?
 
umpteenth time of asking

Originally Posted by Christophera
From LetsRollForums
I interviewed a Mohawk who was 24 when the towers were built. He couldn't say he remembered the concrete core. But he did remember they could only go 7 floors over the core with steel. He still had 2 friends that worked with him on the towers that were living. I asked him to speak with them about the core to see if they could revive each others memory.
When I explained that the FEMA said it was made with steel core columns, he became afraid. He was 64 years of age at that time. I could try him again. Maybe the fact I'm stilll alive will encourage him.
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so............... chris, you state that you interviewed the mohawk who was "64 years of age at that time" and "24 when the towers were built" you have also stated elsewhere that you interviewed this worker in 2002

64-24=40

2002-40=1962

btw the construction of the towers began in 1969-70 i think......

so which one is it?
  1. you are wrong?
  2. is the mohawk wrong?
  3. or is it all a pile of steaming ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊?
still wriggling chris?

BV
 
JonnyFive said:
What about the mechanical rooms and the "thinner walls", Chris? You made a claim, I showed you counter evidence. Got any proof there was only one mechanical floor and that the walls got thinner?
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Chris talks out of both sides of his mouth and his rear end at the same time.

Facts! we don't need no stinking facts.

What I type is reality why do you not see?
 
what we may be looking at.........

here:-

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i have overlain a schematic of the WTC lift set-up over one of chris' favourite pics. i'm sure many would agree that it is highly possible that what we see in the original are the lift shafts present in both towers.
hey chris just had a thought.....could you please show us a typical floor plan of one of the lower floors of a tower and indicate exactly where your 17 foot thick lump of concrete would fit in?

BV
 
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Okay Chris, I'll make it really simple for you. There is just one thing you have to do.

Show us raw evidence of the PBS documentary.
 
belz the jet fuel welder is not working

Belz i am trying to bend a 1/4 inch sheet metal using jet fuel......still no successes.........can you tell me again how this works? i dont get it...........why can i bend this 1/4 carbon steel........a minute fraction of the 5inch steel column beams in the world trade center. why is this not working. help me out here.....CAN ANY OF YOU DENIALS PLEASE TELL ME HOW I CAN USE JET FUEL TO BEND THIS 1/4" PLATE STEEL??? what do i need to do??? Do you think i need to flood more jet fuel there? blow some extra oxygen on the flame....what special thing did the fire in the world trade center have that the fire in my shop does not have? I am going to take my 50 ton hydraulic press and press carbon steel and note the difference between jet fuel heated steel pieces and cold steel pieces......according to your theory........the jet fuel heated carbon steel should be considerably easier to bend. Will i find a minute......almost negligible difference or a big difference?
hey this will make a good science fair project!
I mean I dont think that this is somekind of fantasy you are pulling on me is it?

Lets be clear...........you are saying that it was
1) the impact of the plane the subsequent damage
2) and the heat from the jet fuel that caused its collapse
right?

I dont want you weasiling out and telling me that it was just the impact
 
I'm not sure this will mean anything to Chris, but I just received this from PBS.

Thank you for writing to PBS. We appreciate hearing from those interested in public television and its programs.

Since PBS is not a production entity, we do not assist in producing programs. We acquire previously completed programming or enter into production agreements with a variety of independent producers, and then distribute this programming to our member stations which are independently owned and operated. We do not have a record of a program distributed with this title or of that nature in 1990. We have distributed several programs on the World Trade Center and the events of 9/11 recently including:

FRONTLINE "Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero": http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/faith/

NOVA "Why the Towers Fell": http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

AMERICA REBUILDS II: RETURN TO GROUND ZERO: http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds2/

I hope this information is helpful. Thank you again for your email.

Sincerely,
Amelia
PBS Viewer Services
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se7ensnakes, will you tell us your theory how it all happened or not? Because if you can't that's ok. Maybe you're good at something else.
 
se7ensnakes said:
Lets be clear...........you are saying that it was
1) the impact of the plane the subsequent damage
2) and the heat from the jet fuel that caused its collapse
right?
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Yes.

In fact, that is exactly what people have been saying all along. Are you saying that this is improbable?

So now that you understand what we've been saying, why don't you tell us what YOU are saying.
 
Peter S. said:
I'm not sure this will mean anything to Chris, but I just received this from PBS.

Thank you for writing to PBS. We appreciate hearing from those interested in public television and its programs.

Since PBS is not a production entity, we do not assist in producing programs. We acquire previously completed programming or enter into production agreements with a variety of independent producers, and then distribute this programming to our member stations which are independently owned and operated. We do not have a record of a program distributed with this title or of that nature in 1990. We have distributed several programs on the World Trade Center and the events of 9/11 recently including:

FRONTLINE "Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero": http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/faith/

NOVA "Why the Towers Fell": http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

AMERICA REBUILDS II: RETURN TO GROUND ZERO: http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds2/

I hope this information is helpful. Thank you again for your email.

Sincerely,
Amelia
PBS Viewer Services
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Thanks Peter. Let's use that together with my question...

Bell said:
Okay Chris, I'll make it really simple for you. There is just one thing you have to do.

Show us raw evidence of the PBS documentary.
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se7ensnakes said:
Belz i am trying to bend a 1/4 inch sheet metal using jet fuel......still no successes.........can you tell me again how this works? i dont get it...........why can i bend this 1/4 carbon steel........a minute fraction of the 5inch steel column beams in the world trade center. why is this not working. help me out here.....CAN ANY OF YOU DENIALS PLEASE TELL ME HOW I CAN USE JET FUEL TO BEND THIS 1/4" PLATE STEEL??? what do i need to do??? Do you think i need to flood more jet fuel there? blow some extra oxygen on the flame....what special thing did the fire in the world trade center have that the fire in my shop does not have? I am going to take my 50 ton hydraulic press and press carbon steel and note the difference between jet fuel heated steel pieces and cold steel pieces......according to your theory........the jet fuel heated carbon steel should be considerably easier to bend. Will i find a minute......almost negligible difference or a big difference?
hey this will make a good science fair project!
I mean I dont think that this is somekind of fantasy you are pulling on me is it?

Lets be clear...........you are saying that it was
1) the impact of the plane the subsequent damage
2) and the heat from the jet fuel that caused its collapse
right?

I dont want you weasiling out and telling me that it was just the impact
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Not so much the jet fuel as it was the sustained office fires - furniture, papers, bodies - which can reach in excess of 1200 degrees fahrenheit. At 600 degrees, steel weakens to approx. half of its load bearing capacity. Then add several hundred tons of pressure, and see if it bends.
 
Bell said:
Okay Chris, I'll make it really simple for you. There is just one thing you have to do.

Show us raw evidence of the PBS documentary.
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Okay Bell, I'll make it really simple for you. There is just one thing you have to do.

Show us raw evidence of the 47, steel core columns from the 1,000's of images of the demolition.
 
PBS Viewer Services said:
Thank you for writing to PBS. We appreciate hearing from those interested in public television and its programs.

Since PBS is not a production entity, we do not assist in producing programs. We acquire previously completed programming or enter into production agreements with a variety of independent producers, and then distribute this programming to our member stations which are independently owned and operated. We do not have a record of a program distributed with this title or of that nature in 1990. We have distributed several programs on the World Trade Center and the events of 9/11 recently including:

FRONTLINE "Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero": http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/faith/

NOVA "Why the Towers Fell": http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

AMERICA REBUILDS II: RETURN TO GROUND ZERO: http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds2/

I hope this information is helpful. Thank you again for your email.

Sincerely,
Amelia
PBS Viewer Services
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Peter S. said:
I'm not sure this will mean anything to Chris, but I just received this from PBS.
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"We acquire previously completed programming or enter into production agreements with a variety of independent producers,"

That covers the production potentials. Others have gone throught similar steps to find they know nothign of the documentary called "The Construction of the Twin Towers". Which doesn't surprise me.

When I saw WTC 2 fall on 9-11 I knew the documentary must have been removed from their archives and records.
 
Christophera said:
Okay Bell, I'll make it really simple for you. There is just one thing you have to do.

Show us raw evidence of the 47, steel core columns from the 1,000's of images of the demolition.
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Evasion noted.

Now, show us raw evidence of the PBS documentary.
 
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