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Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

kurious_kathy said:
And I'll pray that they come to know Christ even though you didn't choose to bring them up with faith. If one of your children become a born-again Christian will you hate or dis-own them?
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I know this wasn't asked of me. (As if I care)

If one of my kids did that, the answers are no and no. Do you find it funny how some religions might answer that differently if asking the convert whether they should continue to love and remain in contact with a virulently atheist family?
 
Canadian Malcontent said:
DUDE its this simple. You dont tell my kids that God DIDNT create everything and I will permit you to teach them the theery of evolution.
If you need clarification just ask.
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Okay. Please clarify.

Why do I need your permission? Why should you "permit" me to teach anything whatsoever? Or more accurately, why should I care if I lack your permission?

You don't have the authority to deny me. Not only am I not responsible to you for the content of my teaching -- but, at least in the United States (which is where this controversy is really happening) you are also barred by law from influencing the content of my teaching for religious reasons, no matter how much of a majority you have.

If you are a single lone wing-nut, I have no responsibility to you.

If you are a representative of a large group of wingnuts, I still have no responsibility to you.

I will tell your kids, literally, whatever the scientific consensus tells me. And you have no authority even to object.

If you need clarification, please ask.
 
Canadian Malcontent said:
My arguments here have been in response to those of you who take issue with my faith.
I am a Christian. see John 3:16
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That would be THIS god, then?

3:16. For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.

He sounds like a good stick. He loves humans sooooooooo much that he nailed his only child - in all the billennia of god, space, time and creation, his ONLY child - to a telephone pole? Ok, I'll buy that. Pity he's a child-murderer; bit of a paradox, Clingy? Luckily, I take it this bloke's only in the 'B' team?

Ya might have thought, that for a god which created the entire universe thanks to a plan so cunning only christians know about it he might have been just a little bit more subtle.
 
kurious_kathy said:
But people ought not to forget that we were all created in the image of God, the most valued of His creations. So tell me then why so many choose to deny their maker?
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Just because someone doesn't accept god doesn't mean that they have denied it, too. Many people, myself included, stick to the facts: there is no evidence either way, so He may exist. It's not the same thing as he doesn't exist. Do you see everything in black and white?

kurious_kathy said:
If evolution makes people deny there is a God then I'm all for banning it from the schools
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Leave teaching faith to the churches, and science to the schools. Not that difficult to understand. Further, (again, try not to look at this through your monochrome computer screen), just because someone is teaching something doesn't nessesarily mean that they believe it, or that they are telling children that they should believe it. You don't have to accept the knowledge/facts that the teacher is teaching you. Religious people do that ALL the time, so what's the problem?

kurious_kathy said:
too many gaps in that theory to be true!
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Too many gaps in the theory of electricity, too. Guess Ben Franklin should have realized that.

Canadian Malcontent said:
DUDE its this simple. You dont tell my kids that God DIDNT create everything and I will permit you to teach them the theery of evolution. As long as you dont DENY God there is no problem.
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I never heard anyone talk about god in sience class ever, in any form, till religious people started to get all huffy about preaching ID in the classroom. The only reason why they mention god now is because teachers started to worry about getting fired for doing their jobs because of nuts like you.

Canadian Malcontent said:
Yet you have problems that result in absurd legislation. Everything was hunky dory till you 'had' a 'problem' and now the situation is ridiculous. are you happy? -snip-
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Actually, everything was hunky dory until crazy religios folk like you started to get all huffy about science teachers not preaching the word of god in a science class.

I think I'm about to faint from too much irony intake.
 
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The Atheist said:
He sounds like a good stick. He loves humans sooooooooo much that he nailed his only child - in all the billennia of god, space, time and creation, his ONLY child - to a telephone pole?
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And the trick is, the Son being the Father, he was having himself nailed to the pole at the same time.
Ok, I'll buy that. Pity he's a child-murderer; bit of a paradox, Clingy?
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Not a child murderer, as the Son was of adult years at the time. But, this does make Him a suicide, if we want to keep playing with this theme. That He can pull this off and you can't doesn't make it impossible, just impossible for you and me. :) No, I have not tried to nail myself to a pole just to find out. *quickly puts hands in pockets* :D
Ya might have thought, that for a god which created the entire universe thanks to a plan so cunning only christians know about it he might have been just a little bit more subtle.
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There weren't any Christians to know then, when it happened. The humans were uncunning enough that (you have kids? you'll get this) the metaphorical "two by four" or "wake up call" was chosen as a way to get the Word out. Some got it, some didn't. In coming to Christ these people became Christians. Before that, they were Jews and Gentiles (pagan) of the Roman Empire.

FWIW

DR
 
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Darth Rotor said:
My bad. Consider a Guinness as reparations? :)

Speaking of this thread, where are the steenkin' bumper stickers?

I saw this one yesterday.

"My other car got repossessed."

DR
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I used to work at an electrician's firm. One day at lunch, I was reading Ursula LeGuin's novel 'The Dispossessed'. This particular paperback had a lurid red planet on the front cover.

The scheduling manager walked by, looked at the cover, shook his head and said "I don't believe in reading about the satanism stuff."

:D
 
bluess said:
I used to work at an electrician's firm. One day at lunch, I was reading Ursula LeGuin's novel 'The Dispossessed'. This particular paperback had a lurid red planet on the front cover.

The scheduling manager walked by, looked at the cover, shook his head and said "I don't believe in reading about the satanism stuff."

:D
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Did you ask him if that meant no more sacrifices during breaks?
 
Some of the posts here remind me of my all time favorite bumper sticker (apologies if I already posted this one here; I misht have).

"Eschew Obfuscation"

Wonderfully self-contradictory.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Speaking of this thread, where are the steenkin' bumper stickers?

I saw this one yesterday.

"My other car got repossessed."

DR
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This isn't a bumper sticker I've seen but I heard it on the radio today and it would make a great bumper sticker:

"Your kid may be an honor student, but you're still and idiot."
:D
 
drkitten said:
Okay. Please clarify.

Why do I need your permission? Why should you "permit" me to teach anything whatsoever? Or more accurately, why should I care if I lack your permission?

You don't have the authority to deny me. Not only am I not responsible to you for the content of my teaching -- but, at least in the United States (which is where this controversy is really happening) you are also barred by law from influencing the content of my teaching for religious reasons, no matter how much of a majority you have.

If you are a single lone wing-nut, I have no responsibility to you.

If you are a representative of a large group of wingnuts, I still have no responsibility to you.

I will tell your kids, literally, whatever the scientific consensus tells me. And you have no authority even to object.

If you need clarification, please ask.
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I have no authority to object to something happening in my childrens school?
Wouldnt you just feel so powerful if that were true anywhere but inside your head!
 
Sceptic Realist said:
Just because someone doesn't accept god doesn't mean that they have denied it, too. Many people, myself included, stick to the facts: there is no evidence either way, so He may exist. It's not the same thing as he doesn't exist. Do you see everything in black and white?



Leave teaching faith to the churches, and science to the schools. Not that difficult to understand. Further, (again, try not to look at this through your monochrome computer screen), just because someone is teaching something doesn't nessesarily mean that they believe it, or that they are telling children that they should believe it. You don't have to accept the knowledge/facts that the teacher is teaching you. Religious people do that ALL the time, so what's the problem?



Too many gaps in the theory of electricity, too. Guess Ben Franklin should have realized that.



I never heard anyone talk about god in sience class ever, in any form, till religious people started to get all huffy about preaching ID in the classroom. The only reason why they mention god now is because teachers started to worry about getting fired for doing their jobs because of nuts like you.



Actually, everything was hunky dory until crazy religios folk like you started to get all huffy about science teachers not preaching the word of god in a science class.

I think I'm about to faint from too much irony intake.
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I believe that what originally got the Christians dander up was the sexual politics being brought into public schools. That motivated the response and degree of organized effort you see today. Another thing may well have been anti-christian sentiment and/or material being presented by teachers the like of drkitten who actually believes that she can tell my kids anything supported by 'scientific consesus' and I have no authority to object.
 
Canadian Malcontent said:
Another thing may well have been anti-christian sentiment and/or material being presented by teachers the like of drkitten who actually believes that she can tell my kids anything supported by 'scientific consesus' and I have no authority to object.
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... on religious grounds.

And I stand by that belief.

You can object all you like to my teaching if I get something wrong, or if I am injurious to your child, or something like that.

But "(anti-)christian sentiment" is not valid grounds for setting school curriculum. If you think otherwise, re-read Kitzmiller vs. Dover.
 
Knowing that Bush says that he is a christian sure would make me rethink about my choice of religion.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Darth Rotor said:
My bad. Consider a Guinness as reparations? :)

Speaking of this thread, where are the steenkin' bumper stickers?

I saw this one yesterday.

"My other car got repossessed."

DR
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Guiness will be fine. Tried a new house brew last night - dark stout. Jesus, was it good at the end of a hot day.

Best bumper sticker: Douglas Adams. The Porsche with a bumper sticker:

My other car is also a Porsche
 
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