Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[uruk]

Chris,

I note that the only questions that you attempted a response to were the elevator rails (my response: "prove it"), and that regarding formwork heights.

What's wrong - the rest too hard?

I've asked him to show evidence concerning the "so called" elevator rail guides.
I emailed Otis Elevator company concerning the models of elevators they installed into the WTC towers. this was thier response:

Hello Mr. Ethridge: My name is Stephen Showers and I am the Corporate
Archivist here at Otis Elevator. The otis.com staff forwarded your email to
me. Thank you for your inquiry. The best public source of elevator
information on the WTC Towers and other building of the complex is Elevator
World magazine. They can be reached at: www.elevator-world.com. They have
done several comprehensive stories on the whole WTC. Otis did install the
original elevators, escalators and dumbwaiters in the whole World Trade
Center. Each tower had 104 elevators each. There were 2 types: gearless
and geared. The gearless were model numbers 339, 269, 219 and 155. The
geared models had various model numbers depending on the installation and
use. The November, 2001 issue of Elevator World has an excellent breakdown
of the whole system and you should be able to acquire a copy of it for your
research. I hope this information helps. Good luck in your research.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: ezhil.nanjappan@otis.com [mailto:ezhil.nanjappan@otis.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:26 AM
To: information.request@otis.com
Subject: Information Request

I then sent an email to Elevator World and got This response:

Mr. Ethridge:
Please forgive my lateness in replying to the below e-mail, we do have the November 2001 issue available for $15.00 plus postage (back issues are sent by ground UPS) and usually runs around $7.00 for a total of $22.00.

Please let me know if you are interested – you may also visit this link and order this way just type in November 2001 issue in comments section, the link is http://elevatorbooks.stores.yahoo.net/baisofelwoma1.html This issue is only available in print version.

Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

Patricia Cartee
Commercial Director

Before I lay down $22.00 in the name of debating Chris, I was hoping that, since you are in the trade, might have access to this issue.

Better yet, might you have access to the technical information for the elevator models mentioned in the Otis response?

 

[Big Al]

I've asked him to show evidence concerning the "so called" elevator rail guides.
I emailed Otis Elevator company concerning the models of elevators they installed into the WTC towers. this was thier response:



I then sent an email to Elevator World and got This response:


Before I lay down $22.00 in the name of debating Chris, I was hoping that, since you are in the trade, might have access to this issue.

Better yet, might you have access to the technical information for the elevator models mentioned in the Otis response?

Sorry, uruk, I'd save my money if I were you. Chris'll just say Otis were warned off by the NWO or whoever. He knows better. The Holy Documentary neatly addresses every point you might make. It cannot be denied. Praise The Documentary.

Amen.

 

[bonavada]

chris.....................

i asked:-

once again chris................
..........you interviewed an ironworker/windwalker in 2002 (you have stated previously that he was 64 years old at that time) and that he was 24 when he worked at the WTC. there's a 40 year gap there. so are you stating that the man was working at the WTC in 1962?
BV

you replied:-

I think you've found a misstatement, and perhaps you've confused when I met him and when I interviewed him. I'm mostly repeating what he told me, and his memory wasn't that good.
But you are correct, the arithmetic doesn't work, but not way off as he worked on the towers for at least 6 years.

what exactly do you mean by "misstatement"? a "misstatement" by YOU?
were YOU "mistating" when you wrote this?:-

From LetsRollForums
I interviewed a Mohawk who was 24 when the towers were built. He couldn't say he remembered the concrete core. But he did remember they could only go 7 floors over the core with steel. He still had 2 friends that worked with him on the towers that were living. I asked him to speak with them about the core to see if they could revive each others memory.
When I explained that the FEMA said it was made with steel core columns, he became afraid. He was 64 years of age at that time. I could try him again. Maybe the fact I'm stilll alive will encourage him.

my bold

its unequivocal chris. you state that you interviewed the man who was "64 years of age at that time" and "24 when the towers were built" you have also stated elsewhere that you interviewed this worker in 2002

64-24=40

2002-40=1962

so........the construction of the towers began in 1969-70 i think...... whichever way you try to twist it mate, either your photographic memcam batteries are up the duff or you (or the mohawk) are TELLING LICKLE FIBS!
demolition of the existing buildings on the pre-WTC site didn't begin till 1966 FFS.

care to revise your mohawk story in the light of the above?

BV

keep wriggling.

 

[uruk]

Sorry, uruk, I'd save my money if I were you. Chris'll just say Otis were warned off by the NWO or whoever. He knows better. The Holy Documentary neatly addresses every point you might make. It cannot be denied. Praise The Documentary.

Amen.

Hallowed be the name of the almighty, all encompasing PBS Documentary!

 

[Big Al]

its unequivocal chris. you state that you interviewed the man who was "64 years of age at that time" and "24 when the towers were built" you have also stated elsewhere that you interviewed this worker in 2002

If it'd been 65 and 25 years, it would have been possible to plead "approximation". However, 64 and 24 sounds like an attempt to sound definite and precise.

Nice try, Chris.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Before I lay down $22.00 in the name of debating Chris...

Given the amount of evidence presented already that Christophera is wrong, it hardly seems worthwhile to spend money for even more evidence.

 

[bonavada]

hey uruk.........

i tried HERE

let's hope they haven't all eaten their copies after realising what the NWO have done huh?

BV

 

[bonavada]

Given the amount of evidence presented already that Christophera is wrong, it hardly seems worthwhile to spend money for even more evidence.

you just made me realise something.......i am actually looking forward to reading a trade magazine about freakin elevators.........how fkn sad is that?

BV

 

[Belz...]

If it'd been 65 and 25 years, it would have been possible to plead "approximation". However, 64 and 24 sounds like an attempt to sound definite and precise.

Nice try, Chris.

Maybe he'll say the towers really were started in 1960 and we were all hypnotised to forget it.

 

[bonavada]

If it'd been 65 and 25 years, it would have been possible to plead "approximation". However, 64 and 24 sounds like an attempt to sound definite and precise.

Nice try, Chris.

i cannot see how our chris can wriggle out of this, he either has to admit that:-

1. he is wrong about what he states about the mohawk.
2. or that the mohawk is wrong.
3. or that he just made the whole frickin windwalker story up.

after his claims of possessing a photographic memory we must discount the first option, the second option brings considerable doubt onto the rest of the mohawks recollections, the third would just make chris act like this:-




BV

 

[JonnyFive]

Maybe he'll say the towers really were started in 1960 and we were all hypnotised to forget it.

Dude, it was in the documentary! You can't question the holy docu-dogma!

 

[uruk]

i tried HERE

let's hope they haven't all eaten their copies after realising what the NWO have done huh?

BV

Thanks for the help Bonavada. I am inclined to listen to BigAl and TellyKNeasuss and not waste cash on the Chrismiester. Elevator World has the issue but they want $22.00 for it.

I was hoping that Architect might have free access to information concerning the elevators and be able to present the fact that those columns with in the core area are too big to be elevator rail guides, especially as the elevators were cable suspention type.

I've argued this before with chris and showed him evidence but he continues to brush it off without presenting any counter evidence.

Much like he keeps ignoring my post about the usnet post from Tony Jebson.

 

[tsig]

Special plastic coating was not being welded onto rebar. The rebar was being welded and it had a special plastic coating.



Your position is grossly contradictory to the topic of "buildings built to demolish."




Your cognitive distortion and labeling indicate your attitude clouds you position.



I'm better than fairly sure that this is a very well contained detonation of high explosives contained in a uniform mineral material container.



Your world view is to narrow to deal with this subject comprehensively.

Chris you cannot weld rebar coated with C4 becuse it burns and metal conducts heat.

Repeat, no welder in thier right mind would touch a rod to this rebar.

 

[Big Al]

Dude, it was in the documentary! You can't question the holy docu-dogma!

As a matter of fact, I now remember that the 1960 date also was mentioned in the Holy Documentary, which I have just channelled from Beyond. That's when they started on the core. It then went on for the next ten minutes detailing the batch of ore from which the iron that was used for the rebar steel came. The next ten minutes dealt with the special High-Frangibility Portland cement used for the core, with special evidence on the particular beach from which the sand came - famed for its low cohesion when used in concrete. The next ten minutes concentrated on the aggregate used in the core concrete. Then, if I remember rightly, it said that the water used was of a special high-hydrocarbon composition found only in the Adirondacks. It showed the very lake and went into detail on the exact chemical composition.

After that, I admit I began to lose interest. Not to mention the will to live.

 

[Big Al]

Chris you cannot weld rebar coated with C4 becuse it burns and metal conducts heat.

Repeat, no welder in thier right mind would touch a rod to this rebar.

Thank you for reminding me, DHR: My channelled memory of the Documentary tells me of the special low-temperature experimental welding gear used in the WTC. Of course, it might just be a distorted memory of the Cold Fusion affair...

That was bollocks, too...

 

[tsig]

As a matter of fact, I now remember that the 1960 date also was mentioned in the Holy Documentary, which I have just channelled from Beyond. That's when they started on the core. It then went on for the next ten minutes detailing the batch of ore from which the iron that was used for the rebar steel came. The next ten minutes dealt with the special High-Frangibility Portland cement used for the core, with special evidence on the particular beach from which the sand came - famed for its low cohesion when used in concrete. The next ten minutes concentrated on the aggregate used in the core concrete. Then, if I remember rightly, it said that the water used was of a special high-hydrocarbon composition found only in the Adirondacks. It showed the very lake and went into detail on the exact chemical composition.

After that, I admit I began to lose interest. Not to mention the will to live.

It was not portland cement I don't rember what it was, but I will argue about it forever. Always siting the documentary.

We needed no water it was dry-set concrete it absorbed the water from the atmosphere, that's why it had to be above 50% humidity when it was placed.

 

[twinstead]

Chris you cannot weld rebar coated with C4 becuse it burns and metal conducts heat.

Repeat, no welder in thier right mind would touch a rod to this rebar.

Perhaps the real conspiracy is the fact that 318 welders died of thermate burns and c4 explosions during construction and are secretly buried in the basement.

 

[Roger_Harris]

Consider, would you allow somebody to weld your explosive coated rebar in your tower based on an absolute "do it this way" with out telling them exacly why when you had somebody to tell that had passed a series of security test over years.

Considering that I would not expect any sane person to participate in the construction of an office building with built-in explosives, I'm afraid that question is a little too hypothetical for me to answer.

I believe they were told. and that a security clearance basically makes a person unable to expose the facts.

Well, hypothetically, if I were insane enough to come up with this explosive-coated rebar plan, I'd probably also have to be insane to think that security clearances would keep everyone from spilling the beans. So I suppose it all makes sense... in an insane sorta way.

Wind Roger. Wind. Did you see the Tacoma narrows bridge video?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8849554834285920420&q=tacoma+narrows+bridge&hl=en

That was from a 42 mile an hour wind. The towers were expected to see over 100 MPH winds from occasional hurricanes.

The tower faces begin to fly and twist the tower.

Well, that's kinda why I asked, because I think I have a basic understanding of what happened to that long, thin, flat Tacama Narrows Bridge, and I just can't picture anything remotely similar happening with a tall, square office building. The towers were designed to withstand the huge lateral loads produced by wind, yes, but that would produce bending, not torsion. That bending was resisted by the exterior column "tube," not the core, and it seems to me any torsion produced by wind would be pretty danged negligable in a design that could withstand that bending, without any help from the core. Everything I've read says the core was designed to just carry vertical loads, and I can't think of any reason why that's not the case.

 

[bonavada]

Much like he keeps ignoring my post about the usnet post from Tony Jebson.

INVOKE THE HOLY SOCKS OF TRUTH!

BV

 

[332nd]

C4 won't explode because of heat alone. As our EOD (When I was in the Army) said "You can stomp on it, set it on fire, just don't set it on fire then try to stomp it out."

ETA: Then again, he never mentioned welding rods.