Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[RandFan]

The evidence of which will never be posted, I'll wager.

Of course not. He just pulls this $%!& out of his butt.

 

[RandFan]

I hate to do this, but better me than our resident loon...

In this case you are wrong. Actually you can pump concrete, and in fact it is a pretty common construction procedure, as the number of companies that either do the work or make the equipment used in the pumping which popped-up in a Google search seems to indicate.

HOWEVER,

The technology for concrete pumping didn't come into being until the 1960's, and only recently did we have the capacity to pump concrete upwards for long distances:link


I seriously doubt that back when the WTC towers were built, they had the capability to directly pump concrete to the heights that both structures eventually reached...

Beat me to it.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Wow, the welders knew they were putting up a building loaded with C4? That's... incredible.

Oh no. I have not said that. I have speculated that the welders were told and that is why a security clearance was required to do the butt weld, so the COULD be safely told.

Consider, would you allow somebody to weld your explosive coated rebar in your tower based on an absolute "do it this way" with out telling them exacly why when you had somebody to tell that had passed a series of security test over years.

I believe they were told. and that a security clearance basically makes a person unable to expose the facts.

Roger: The welders knew there was C-4?
Chris: No. They were told there was C-4.

Excuse me, but....huh???

And if you think that a security clearance would keep an entire union of welders quiet after 30 years and 3,000 deaths, well, you have a pretty low opinion of the basic morals of humanity. I honestly feel bad for you, Christophera, for the kind of world you think you live in.



Headed at full-speed for 10,000 posts. Un-friggin'-believable.

 

[Christophera]

Also, care to address these pictures? Especially the last one?

The first shows what might be interior box columns and an empty core area. The dimensions on center or column dimensions do not look right for the Twin Towers though.

The second shows elevator guide rail support steel and diagonally braced crane platforms inside the line of interior box columns and floor beams.

This image explains the last image, the tower on the right and the light coming through.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4396&stc=1&d=1165383869

 

[NobbyNobbs]

The first shows what might be interior box columns and an empty core area. The dimensions on center or column dimensions do not look right for the Twin Towers though.

Are you suggesting that these are not pictures of the twin towers?

The second shows elevator guide rail support steel and diagonally braced crane platforms inside the line of interior box columns and floor beams.

This image explains the last image, the tower on the right and the light coming through.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4396&stc=1&d=1165383869

Ah, yes the famous and ever-popular reflecting concrete. Tell me, Christophera, where else can I find a building made of this stuff?

 

[mortimer]

The first shows what might be interior box columns and an empty core area. The dimensions on center or column dimensions do not look right for the Twin Towers though.

The second shows elevator guide rail support steel and diagonally braced crane platforms inside the line of interior box columns and floor beams.

This image explains the last image, the tower on the right and the light coming through.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4396&stc=1&d=1165383869

Are you claiming there were *6* parallel hallways through your concrete core with that last image?

 

[Christophera]

Roger: The welders knew there was C-4?
Chris: No. They were told there was C-4.

Excuse me, but....huh???

And if you think that a security clearance would keep an entire union of welders quiet after 30 years and 3,000 deaths, well, you have a pretty low opinion of the basic morals of humanity. I honestly feel bad for you, Christophera, for the kind of world you think you live in.

Headed at full-speed for 10,000 posts. Un-friggin'-believable.

I'm sure you do not understand the weight of a security clearance and have no proof they belong to any union.

I said "I believe they were told". And it is reasonable. Consider what would happen if one decided to not strip the C4 or shield it. If you wer a welder would you be tempted to cut corners if they just told you it was flammable? How about if you were told it was C4?

 

[NobbyNobbs]

I'm sure you do not understand the weight of a security clearance and have no proof they belong to any union.

I said "I believe they were told". And it is reasonable. Consider what would happen if one decided to not strip the C4 or shield it. If you wer a welder would you be tempted to cut corners if they just told you it was flammable? How about if you were told it was C4?

Agreed, were I a welder working on a C-4 coated piece of rebar, I'd want to be told. HOWEVER.....if 30 years later that building came down under any sort of suspicious circumstance, security clearance or not, I'd be hollering holy h3ll loud and far.

By "union" I was presuming. I believe they were probably unionized, just as you believe they were told there was C-4. I have at least as much reason to hold my belief as you do yours. And the union is besides the point. How many welders were there, under security clearance? You suppose every single one felt that being under security clearance is enough reason to keep their mouths shut after 3,000 deaths, plus a war?

And yet you rail against us to pursue justice. What a farce.

 

[Christophera]

Are you claiming there were *6* parallel hallways through your concrete core with that last image?

Two hallways in each directon for WTC 2.

 

[Christophera]

Agreed, were I a welder working on a C-4 coated piece of rebar, I'd want to be told. HOWEVER.....if 30 years later that building came down under any sort of suspicious circumstance, security clearance or not, I'd be hollering holy h3ll loud and far.

Clearly, you have no idea what a security clearance entails. I have asked people who have them and they said they couldn't tell me. Very serious stuff.

By "union" I was presuming. I believe they were probably unionized, just as you believe they were told there was C-4.

I have THIS which proved optimally contained high explosives and I also read a magazine inthe 1970 that explained C4 coated rebar being used in sub bases and missle silos as part of could wart self destruct technology. I understand high explosives. Do you? Why would a very high paid welder with a security clearance be in a union? Free speech rights???????? Hah!

I have at least as much reason to hold my belief as you do yours. And the union is besides the point. How many welders were there, under security clearance? You suppose every single one felt that being under security clearance is enough reason to keep their mouths shut after 3,000 deaths, plus a war?

And yet you rail against us to pursue justice. What a farce.

Yes, pursue justice and use reason to do it and you are failing in both.

There was a big problem in that there were not enough welders with security clearances to get the welds done on the construction schedule and no compromises were ever made in that. The docuemntary was very clear in this over and over.

How long do you think welders live? Do you know what "low hydrogen rod is? Ever hear of silicosis?

 

[NobbyNobbs]

I also read a magazine inthe 1970 that explained C4 coated rebar being used in sub bsaes and missle silos as part of could wart self destruct technology.

What magazine? What year? If you want me to pursue justice, you're doing a singularly poor job of educating me. No information on the documentary, and no information on this magazine article. Either one would prove your point about C-4 coated rebar.

 

[mortimer]

Two hallways in each directon for WTC 2.

Then why are there *6* blue lines in your photo marked "hall openings"?

 

[Christophera]

Are you suggesting that these are not pictures of the twin towers?

I do not believe the top one is.

Ah, yes the famous and ever-popular reflecting concrete. Tell me, Christophera, where else can I find a building made of this stuff?

You do ntt need a tower to see reflecting concrete. Every time steel forms are used the concrete becomes very smooth and will blind your a$$ if the light hits it at a low angle.

If I remember I think the Petronis tower and the Seattle steel workers towers both have concrete cores.

 

[Christophera]

Amazing how you make up new stuff on the fly.

The info on the pumping system was in the documentary. It was a huge expense and the documentary was all about explaining the costs for the public buildings to the public.

 

[Christophera]

Then why are there *6* blue lines in your photo marked "hall openings"?

The 2 narrow blue lines represent each side of a hall opening and the thick blue lines represent entire openings viewed at a low, obilque angle.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

From the Wikipedia article on the Petronas towers..

...were completed in 1998....The 88-floor towers ....Because of the depth of the bedrock, the buildings were built on the world's deepest foundations built by Bachy Soletanche going down some 120 meters and requiring massive amounts of concrete......Due to a lack of steel and the huge cost of importing steel, the towers were constructed on a cheaper radical design of super high strength reinforced concrete. High-strength concrete is a material familiar to Asian contractors and twice as effective as steel in sway reduction; however, it makes the building twice as heavy on its foundation than a comparable steel building.

So yes, they have concrete cores. They also were built with technology 30 years more advanced than the WTC. They were also built on deep bedrock, rather than Manhattan Island. They were also 22 stories shorter than the WTC.

So why are you comparing these, again?

 

[Christophera]

no in this case his words are for describing what was experienced. he saw smoke and smelt kerosene. you distort his words to support your unprovable speculation.

once again you blatantly cherry-pick and distort given information. have you actually watched the video at that link you give HERE? perhaps you should. and maybe try and digest the full account of morelli. he pointedly speaks of an inital explosion ABOVE the sub-levels and then another explosion which he say he later found out was a frieght-car crashing down to earth. you'll have to do better than this chris your slip is showing.

The man has an experience and describes it. He might learn more and interpret it later differently. I read his description and know more about the event than he does and interpret it differently.

Morelli describes one un identified explosion and Pecararo describes another. Total = 2 (two) explosions. Get it?

ETA (I mixed mike pecararo up with another worker):-

pure conjecture about mike pecararos' work experience..................

try googling "earthquake rubble" chris you'll be surprised how many hits you get. i managed 9,730 OMFG the NWO have been busy with that C4 huh?

you could also try these:-

"tornado rubble" 13,700

"tsunami rubble" 1,200

"fire rubble" 242

"hurricane rubble" 163

"landslide rubble" 94

last but not least

"barney rubble" with an astonishing 437,000!!! jeezzus H! so him and fred were in on it too?

WILMA!!!!!!


BV

Yes, news casters are notoriously inaccurate and general with descriptors that have a varied, technical nature.

 

[Christophera]

From the Wikipedia article on the Petronas towers..




So yes, they have concrete cores. They also were built with technology 30 years more advanced than the WTC. They were also built on deep bedrock, rather than Manhattan Island. They were also 22 stories shorter than the WTC.

So why are you comparing these, again?

Concrete cores.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Concrete cores.

And? What of it? You have produced a building that has a concrete core, that everyone knows has a concrete core, that is advertised to have a concrete core. And this proves....what?

 

[Christophera]

Are you saying that there are NO high-rise buildings with steel cores ?

No towers with the proportions of the Twin Towers have steel cores.