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Bolton is gone

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"WASHINGTON - Unable to win Senate confirmation, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton will step down when his temporary appointment expires within weeks, the White House said Monday." AP White House

That's too bad because I kinda liked his no-nonsense style. I wonder which sycophant will replace him?
 
Sabra said:
"WASHINGTON - Unable to win Senate confirmation, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton will step down when his temporary appointment expires within weeks, the White House said Monday." AP White House

That's too bad because I kinda liked his no-nonsense style. I wonder which sycophant will replace him?
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I am glad that he is going out.

As for who will replace him, well the Bush Adminstration may lack for many things but there has never been a lack of sycophants.
 
Sabra said:
"WASHINGTON - Unable to win Senate confirmation, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton will step down when his temporary appointment expires within weeks, the White House said Monday." AP White House

That's too bad because I kinda liked his no-nonsense style. I wonder which sycophant will replace him?
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I think I'll miss him.

Wouldn't it be cool if Bush were able to find someone even better? :)
 
Mycroft said:
I think I'll miss him.

Wouldn't it be cool if Bush were able to find someone even better? :)
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But would your idea of "someone better" be able to get confirmed by the new Congress? Of course Bush could just do another recess appointment....but he needs to be seen as accommodating the Dems and their new mandate from the voters.

FWIW I like Bolton too. He doesn't suffer fools easily...which is likely why he was so widely considered to be a poor choice for ambassador to that circus of foolishness called the UN.

-z
 
oh, i thought this was a thread about a grim northern British town.....

it's a shame it's still here....
 
rikzilla said:
But would your idea of "someone better" be able to get confirmed by the new Congress? Of course Bush could just do another recess appointment....but he needs to be seen as accommodating the Dems and their new mandate from the voters.

FWIW I like Bolton too. He doesn't suffer fools easily...which is likely why he was so widely considered to be a poor choice for ambassador to that circus of foolishness called the UN.

-z
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If there's any lesson to be taken from the failings of the Bush administration, for our country's sake I hope it's that personal likeability is the worst possible criterion for electing any leader. I see that as the most dangerous political trend in America, that the will of the people is that ordinary people like them rule them, people who would do exactly what they would do in office, instead of what someone who's capable would do. That's what turned the governorship of California into a mockery and is what is continuing to grind our country into the ground propelled by the country's choices in 2000 and 2004.
 
rikzilla said:
....FWIW I like Bolton too. He doesn't suffer fools easily...which is likely why he was so widely considered to be a poor choice for ambassador to that circus of foolishness called the UN.
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Perhaps the American electorate don't suffer fools gladly, which is why the GOP lost so badly in the Congressional elections, and why Bolton won't be confirmed, and why he and Rumsfeld are out of a job -- with more yet to follow them into exile.

And FYI, the overwhelmingly main reason why Bolton was not confirmed by the Senate had nothing to do with the UN or his asinine childish soundbites about it --- instead, his record of bullying his own staff in various positions became the crux point, which is why several Republicans baulked at his appointment too.

But apart from that, judging by this thread I guess some folks here are going to be doing a lot of weeping and wailing over the next 2 years, as the practical results of the Congressional elections play out, and I bet they'll be gnashing their teeth for another extra 4 years after that too.
:D
 
Gurdur said:
Perhaps the American electorate don't suffer fools gladly, which is why the GOP lost so badly in the Congressional elections, and why Bolton won't be confirmed, and why he and Rumsfeld are out of a job -- with more yet to follow them into exile.
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The American electorate voted for GW Bush...twice...in case you may have forgotten. So I guess you're telling me that the American people suddenly got a case of the smarts? Your apparent penchant for confirmation bias is rather stunning.
And FYI, the overwhelmingly main reason why Bolton was not confirmed by the Senate had nothing to do with the UN or his asinine childish soundbites about it --- instead, his record of bullying his own staff in various positions became the crux point, which is why several Republicans baulked at his appointment too.

But apart from that, judging by this thread I guess some folks here are going to be doing a lot of weeping and wailing over the next 2 years, as the practical results of the Congressional elections play out, and I bet they'll be gnashing their teeth for another extra 4 years after that too.
:D
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Well I don't generally put much stock in predictions of this sort. Political power is a double edged sword as the Dems will now be expected to have ideas and implement them. Winning the Congress and Senate may just end up giving the Dems the stage and rope from which to hang themselves. I mean...clearly..."We're not Bush!" is not much of an answer to anything at all.

The Dems will now be expected to craft alternative policies and sell them successfully. Given that the only thing the Dems have done fairly well is throw brickbats at BushCo; I sincerely doubt that the Repubs are going to give them a break. Brickbats are easy to throw you know...and two years hence Repubs may end up looking at 2006 as a gift in disguise.

Not a prediction...just a possible outcome. :D

-z
 
latent aaaack said:
If there's any lesson to be taken from the failings of the Bush administration, for our country's sake I hope it's that personal likeability is the worst possible criterion for electing any leader. I see that as the most dangerous political trend in America, that the will of the people is that ordinary people like them rule them, people who would do exactly what they would do in office, instead of what someone who's capable would do. That's what turned the governorship of California into a mockery and is what is continuing to grind our country into the ground propelled by the country's choices in 2000 and 2004.
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To be perfectly fair to California's unqualified bodybuilder/actor governor, he did completely change his course of action when all his ballot initiatives died. He realized, "Crap, the situation is actually different than I thought it was. Staying the course is clearly the wrong thing to do."

He then belatedly added, "GET DOWN!" He seems to always say that, even to himself.
 
Ugliest. Mustache. Ever.

I wish I had more to add to this discussion that hasn't already been said, but that's pretty much all I have to contribute.
 
rikzilla said:
The American electorate voted for GW Bush...twice...in case you may have forgotten. So I guess you're telling me that the American people suddenly got a case of the smarts? . . .
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"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
 
Odd. Boltons resignation was the day before Gates confirmation hearings. I'm sure it's just a coincidence and not intentional :)
 
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