Roberts to Debate Bermas on 'Hardfire'

[Calcas]

What is Mark going to do when the Northside Citgo witnesses come out?

You know what? Nobody is gonna care. Except you and a few or your friends.

You see here is how it works. There are hundreds, nay, thousands, of witnesses to 911. True, few saw the actual impact of the Pentagon but MANY saw the plane approach it at a very high speed and very low altitude.

NONE saw any kind of "flyover."

Get that through you head. NONE saw a flyover.

You guys always want to discount "eyewitneses."

Yet, it seems the essence of your "proof" will be a very few eyewitnesses who will state that the plane passed north of the Citco station.

And, that will be your "irrefutable" proof????

You must be joking. Or smoking too much of that good California weed.

Actually, I don't think you're joking. Just delusional or certifiable.

 

[LashL]

What is Mark going to do when the Northside Citgo witnesses come out?

Are you guys going to admit that 9/11 is an inside job or are you going to "self-correct"?

You people are going to watch history pass you by clutching to these bedtime stories.

... you're going to miss the train.

You better get on or get out of the way.

Yeah, yeah. So now S4S steps in for LyteTrip to continue to derail even this Troofers v. Gravy thread with ever more boring *oh look at me I have undisclosed evidence that will knock your socks off and I've had it for four months now but I'm still working on how to present it but boy are you ever going to be blown away when I eventually get around to producing it* posts.

Can you stick to the subject of the thread instead, S4S? There's a whole separate thread devoted to your pal, Lyte Trip's unsubstantiated and undisclosed "evidence" already. This thread is about the debate that Bermas and Rowe have agreed to have against Gravy, and there is no evidence at all produced to date about the alleged witnesses that Lyte Trip keeps barking on about, and there is no evidence at all that any of it will be even remotely believable, let alone sustainable, let alone proof of anything.

So, do try sticking with the subject matter of the thread, would you? Like I said, there's a thread for LT's alleged "evidence" elsewhere. There is no need to derail this thread into yet another discussion of the subject matter on that thread.

 

[T.A.M.]

I am stating this now, so remember you heard it here:

When they release there precious info, it will not make any waves beyond a few in their own truther community. It will not result in any impeachments or arrests, or even so much as a ripple in the washington DC. If it even gets enough of a glance from the real world experts, they will tear it to shreds so thoroughly, that those who released it will be laughed into oblivion.

Lyte Trip and S4S, you can Grand Stand here all you wish. Enjoy your 20-30 days of local fame on the backs of the souls of the victims of 9/11.

I am sure you will make some comment shortly about how we "don't know who we are dealing with..". Yes, you can see I am shaking in my boots. I dont care if you are both 5 star generals or CIA Whistleblowers...it doesnt matter, just like your so called evidence.

The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the OS, and there is nothing you can do about it. I could care less if your evidence showed the plane shot up out of the ground, spun around in the air for 5 minutes, and then hit the pentagon.

Now as we have all said before...PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!

TAM

 

[JamesB]

Say... your name wouldn't be Lauro Chavez, would it?

 

[The Almond]

What is Mark going to do when the Northside Citgo witnesses come out?

Are you guys going to admit that 9/11 is an inside job or are you going to "self-correct"?

You people are going to watch history pass you by clutching to these bedtime stories.

... you're going to miss the train.

You better get on or get out of the way.

Your ego astounds me. Is this truly all you have? You made a trip to Washington DC, badgered some people on video, edited the footage so that their comments said what you wanted them to say, and now you've decided that you're the second coming of Jesus Christ himself. All this has been done before you release any evidence to the public or subjected it to any form of scrutiny. You've declared the evidence unassailable, and debunk-proof. You've declared victory before you walked onto the field.

And you think we should respect you?

Get a life.

 

[realitybites]

What is Mark going to do when the Northside Citgo witnesses come out?

Are you guys going to admit that 9/11 is an inside job or are you going to "self-correct"?

You people are going to watch history pass you by clutching to these bedtime stories.

... you're going to miss the train.

You better get on or get out of the way.

When are you going to produce the evidence?!?!?!

I'm sure I'll get a warning/suspension/banned for this, but I'm tired of having to dance around Rule 8 with these people....

****in' **** or get off the pot dude.

Damn filters....

 

[Pardalis]

Yet, it seems the essence of your "proof" will be a very few eyewitnesses who will state that the plane passed north of the Citco station.

5 years later...

 

[Pardalis]

I am stating this now, so remember you heard it here:

When they release there precious info, it will not make any waves beyond a few in their own truther community. It will not result in any impeachments or arrests, or even so much as a ripple in the washington DC. If it even gets enough of a glance from the real world experts, they will tear it to shreds so thoroughly, that those who released it will be laughed into oblivion.

Lyte Trip and S4S, you can Grand Stand here all you wish. Enjoy your 20-30 days of local fame on the backs of the souls of the victims of 9/11.

I am sure you will make some comment shortly about how we "don't know who we are dealing with..". Yes, you can see I am shaking in my boots. I dont care if you are both 5 star generals or CIA Whistleblowers...it doesnt matter, just like your so called evidence.

The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the OS, and there is nothing you can do about it. I could care less if your evidence showed the plane shot up out of the ground, spun around in the air for 5 minutes, and then hit the pentagon.

I like your perspective on this.

Always interesting posts TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Thanks Pardalis:

I am usually much calmer, and rational, but sometimes things get to me. What really gets to me is when two punks decide to take a trip to washington to "investigate". Then they supposedly come upon this "gonna change the world" evidence wrt 9/11, and do they do the human, good samaritan thing and show it to important people who can do something about it...no.

No, instead they want to sit on... I mean they want to properly format it/structure it for presentation to the world at large. Meanwhile Chuck Burlingames daughter might be reading this, and now she will live through 4 weeks of limbo hell, wonder what these kooks are going to present. Meanwhile, family members of those who died at the Pentagon, who may read this thread, are possibly going out of their minds with anxiety over what these fellows may have found. You think I am grand standing...well perhaps. And maybe noone who lost someone in 9/11 reads these threads...maybe...but what if the do. If they do, then shame, shame on you Lyte and S4S for leaving them wondering for the next three weeks, and the three weeks that have already gone by since your trip.

Like I said before, it would have been a kinder, more human thing to do, to have said NOTHING, and just released the info, than to come here, to a public forum, and gloat 3-4 weeks in advance.

TAM

 

[chipmunk stew]

What is Mark going to do when the Northside Citgo witnesses come out?

Are you guys going to admit that 9/11 is an inside job or are you going to "self-correct"?

You people are going to watch history pass you by clutching to these bedtime stories.

... you're going to miss the train.

You better get on or get out of the way.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be getting out of the way. I have a source on the inside who says that train's headed for the FEMA death camps.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Looking forward to this...

This ought to be an interesting debate.

I have a feeling that the LCers will come up with excuses not to debate, and then say they were barred from debating by Gravy and Co., and blame the New World Order for the continuing conspiracy to deny the LCers their right to free speech.

One of the things about paranoia is that the paranoid people have a "life script," and when reality does not match the script, they behave in ways that will make the script happen. They do themselves what they accuse their opponents of doing, and then blame the opponents. "They made me do it!"

Being paranoid is kind of like being a "Teflon victim." They're always being hammered and beaten by their omnipotent and shadowy opponents, but there's never any actual damage that is not self-inflicted. Dylan and Co. are making money, getting more airtime than they deserve, and not facing anything more serious than littering and disorderly conduct charges.

 

[Free Thinkr]

My concern is that you need to be able to cut their mikes, and they must be made to directly answer questions. Did anyone else see the loosers debate the PM guys? It was a lot of yelling, name calling, and subject changing. They clearly lost the debate from an objective standpoint, as they didn't make a good argument for any point; but their minions see it as a win because they weren't thoroughly debunked, mainly due to the fact that they were able to pretty much yell over the top of the PM guys. It was frustrating watching, and can only be qualified as a debate in the loosest of terms.

 

[Bell]

My concern is that you need to be able to cut their mikes, and they must be made to directly answer questions. Did anyone else see the loosers debate the PM guys? It was a lot of yelling, name calling, and subject changing. They clearly lost the debate from an objective standpoint, as they didn't make a good argument for any point; but their minions see it as a win because they weren't thoroughly debunked, mainly due to the fact that they were able to pretty much yell over the top of the PM guys. It was frustrating watching, and can only be qualified as a debate in the loosest of terms.

Changing subjects is one of their strongest points. You debunk the 'pull it' claim and they counter with "do you agree with the government invading Iraq over a false claim of WMD?"

 

[Oliver]

...Or they cry:

Witch!
Phony!
Wisenheimer!
Agent!
Troll!
Shill!...


...and the worst of all:
JREFFER!

 

[Bell]

...and the worst of all:
JREFFER!

They pointed some members over here by using that tactic. Members who didn't know about JREF.

I guess we own LC a thank you

 

[Oliver]

They pointed some members over here by using that tactic. Members who didn't know about JREF.

I guess we own LC a thank you

I gave my best to make us popular and now
they never stop thinking and talking about us....

Ahhhh...good old "Russianman"...

 

[Mercutio]

My concern is that you need to be able to cut their mikes, and they must be made to directly answer questions. Did anyone else see the loosers debate the PM guys? It was a lot of yelling, name calling, and subject changing. They clearly lost the debate from an objective standpoint, as they didn't make a good argument for any point; but their minions see it as a win because they weren't thoroughly debunked, mainly due to the fact that they were able to pretty much yell over the top of the PM guys. It was frustrating watching, and can only be qualified as a debate in the loosest of terms.

I was happy to see, in today's paper, a letter to the editor (responding to an earlier letter praising LC) citing the debate with PM as the information that made the difference to the writer. I have heard this objective/subjective distinction before, but this writer was originally a CT-believer, and that debate convinced him othewise...

 

[StoneWT]

The only people convinced by the shenanigans of Dylan and Co. are those already in the conspiracy fold and college students angry at the system.

There is a reason why conspiracy newspapers like AFP only have about 5,000 subscribers. There is a reason why Alex Jones, tremendously successful by conspiracy standards, uses the Austin cable access station as one of the chief bases for his material. The wacky stuff doesn't sell that well to the vast majority of America. If the word was truly being spread, you'd see full-page advertisements in major newspapers. You'd have ad time purchased for major tv shows. If Dylan and Co. truly have so much money from LC, why not go on a media blitz? Like Amway, the key is to slowly expand so as not to saturate the market and scare everyone away.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Small numbers, 'tis true.

The only people convinced by the shenanigans of Dylan and Co. are those already in the conspiracy fold and college students angry at the system.

There is a reason why conspiracy newspapers like AFP only have about 5,000 subscribers. There is a reason why Alex Jones, tremendously successful by conspiracy standards, uses the Austin cable access station as one of the chief bases for his material. The wacky stuff doesn't sell that well to the vast majority of America. If the word was truly being spread, you'd see full-page advertisements in major newspapers. You'd have ad time purchased for major tv shows. If Dylan and Co. truly have so much money from LC, why not go on a media blitz? Like Amway, the key is to slowly expand so as not to saturate the market and scare everyone away.

AFP has a lot of links to neo-Nazis, sadly, and has spouted a lot of anti-Semitic stuff in the past, so I would question anything they print.

For my edification, since I missed a few staff meetings here, what is the reason why Alex Jones uses the Austin cable access station?

And the reason they haven't gone on the media blitz is because they're putting the money in their own pockets, I'm sure.

 

[Orphia Nay]

What is Mark going to do when the Northside Citgo witnesses come out?

Are you guys going to admit that 9/11 is an inside job or are you going to "self-correct"?

You people are going to watch history pass you by clutching to these bedtime stories.

... you're going to miss the train.

You better get on or get out of the way.

What train? I think you mean 'bandwagon'.

The conspiracy that does not exist can never be found.

[typo fixed by me]

Great quote, DHR.

Kiwiwriter, it's really good to see you posting again, and so eruditely as always. Did you take a break, or did I just somehow miss the threads you've replied to?