Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[tsig]

You got the fake part right.

Apparently you do not know those plans were preliminary in all ways and were what Yamasaki used as a basis of loading and sought dimensions to first select a core, then design it. In the beginning steel core columns were thought to be possibly adequate but no engineer would certify the tower safe with them. Yamasaki eliminated them and instead selcted the steel reinforced cast conrete tube of the "Tube in a tube" construction style.

"Tube in tube" hardly likely because of the sexual connotations theAmerican people would not have stood for it.

In the beginning there was the plan

But it failed and came short of the the Gloryof Gravity

Then spoke YAMASAKI

Let there be concrete!!!

 

[Christophera]

devastating details on this raw image below.......

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/8748456e23b593431.jpg[/qimg]

BV

I have 20 sheets total, same date December 16, 1963. If you want to see better detail go to the scans.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/masterplan/index.html

I would have paid to drum scan them but I knew the obsolete set was being distibuted and coudn't afford it. Within month the above link was created.

BV, we are not hiring you for plan check or construction, you are too ready to approve or to build with improperly designed preliminary drawings.

You stay in the sandbox.

 

[Christophera]

I am not one of the presenters of evidence, I am one of the consumers of it.

Ah, but you get a special chance with people like me. We're not smarty man engineers, and we don't know much about structural faults or melting points or C4. You have a perfect chance to convince us with your excellent evidence.

Except your explanation isn't logical, or reasonable.

Above you are falling short of reason and logic yourself. You must be specific to WHAT is not logical or not reasonable.

It strikes me as bizzare, overly complicated, and nonsensical. Your evidence is weak,

What is bizarre, overly complicated and nonsensical or weak. Your criticism is empty, illogical and unreasonable without this.

and the other side's evidence is strong.

What evidence do they actually have? Let alone strong?

You haven't done a thing to prosecute those responsible for this monstrous act.

Right, ............. you think that is reasonable to expect. Why do you think such can be done by anyone person. You are not an idiot, you are ignorant.

Also, you are somehow still alive despite knowing THE TRUTH about this incredible conspiracy.

You are the paranoid one here. Not too smart either.

However, I have done some study in the way that intelligence and law enforcement, as well as terrorism, work. As far as those elements of things go, the conspiracy theories simply aren't believable.

If this were an interrogaton I'd leave you alone for a long time then pop in and say. "Tell me more." every now and then, Knowing that you really know very little but wanting to know what you think you know.

 

[tsig]

Above you are falling short of reason and logic yourself. You must be specific to WHAT is not logical or not reasonable.



What is bizarre, overly complicated and nonsensical or weak. Your criticism is empty, illogical and unreasonable without this.



What evidence do they actually have? Let alone strong?



Right, ............. you think that is reasonable to expect. Why do you think such can be done by anyone person. You are not an idiot, you are ignorant.



You are the paranoid one here. Not too smart either.



If this were an interrogaton I'd leave you alone for a long time then pop in and say. "Tell me more." every now and then, Knowing that you really know very little but wanting to know what you think you know.

I have the raw eidence. I'll be posting soon. You will not believe it!!

 

[hcmom]

I have the raw eidence. I'll be posting soon. You will not believe it!!

Well, duh....

 

[delphi_ote]

I have the raw eidence. I'll be posting soon. You will not believe it!!

Better hurry up before your raw evidence goes bad. I hope you're keeping it refrigerated in the meantime. It would be awful if you served it and everyone got salmonella.

 

[tsig]

Rau Booty

Better hurry up before your raw evidence goes bad. I hope you're keeping it refrigerated in the meantime. It would be awful if you served it and everyone got salmonella.

My raw eidence is a picture of a steak that I have linked to and defy you to refute.

I will show the real thing after I have built up the basics of your understanding.


Only when you understand what I know will you understand.

Send money.

 

[Belz...]

Your appreciation for the strength of a tempered steel column as thick as those were is equal to your understanding of the control potential for an engineered blast with well contained explosive. If the columns are intact to any degree the walls blowing will not phase them.

Really ? Wasn't it your contention that, had the towers had a steel code, they would've been far more susceptible to the damage they sustained ?

So, which is it, is steel invincible, or is it weaker than concrete ?

That the number of victims is off means nothing to my point.

Well, it's an easy number to verify, so the fact that they got it wrong calls their ability to research properly into question.

It means that the actual numbers of victims was not known yet or was over looked at the time of publishing.

Which also applies to the core.

It is absurd to think of a wall 1,300 feet tall that is the same thickness at the top than the bottom.

Why ?

Oh Galactic seer Belz, ......... with the all seeing eye, knowing whoever, wherever, whenever.

I don't need to be a seer: you can't produce either the documentary or anyone who's seen it. You explain away that fact with meaningless ramblings, but the fact remains that we haven't seen that documentary from you.

Yes raw evidence SHOULD be examined by professionals, and when they don't, they've lost their credibility. Their intentions have been compromised.

[...]

Basically we have a situation where professionals are useless.

Even were that true, it wouldn't make laymen more competent in interpreting said evidence.

Concrete core agrees with the raw evidence.

You just said that professionals should be the ones evaluating the evidence.

You also said that this evidence was not raw.

Yes, in an effort to gain reasonable. logical, responsible responses from others who do not WANT to know the truth.

Oh Galactic seer chris, ......... with the all seeing eye, knowing whoever, wherever, whenever

 

[Belz...]

I've stated it almost 2000 times. Show me clear pictures of steel core columns at some elevation above ground from the demo images. Everyone has failed in this.

Well, such a claim is easy when you label steel columns "box columns".

The photos are free, your brain (we assume) is yours to control.

I thought we were controlled by our subconscious ?

Easy to say.

I prove the concrete core with one image.

Or dust.

The FEMA WTC report does not use raw evidence of images from 9-11 and neither does NIST. They use text just like you do.

Typical woo nonsense. Lack of trust for knowledgeable people, appeal to common sense, fear of actual numbers.

The professionals did not even get close to descibing rates of fall near free fall

They didn't need to. No one in the business finds the rate of collapse odd.

My opposition here is so laughable they have attempted to prove the viewer cannot see the fine vertical elements which are obviously much smaller than interior box columns shot with the same camera from the same distance a second before the rebar is exposed after the steel falls away.

1) The picture shows nothing that can be analysed.
2) It's obviously the same structure as the earlier, more detailed picture
3) Please prove that rebar could withstand the "total pulverization"

Here is a photo taken of my copies of the master plans taken about 15 minutes ago on my humble drafting board.

Those plans don't show a concrete core, do they ?

After examining them I realized they were all but useless as they do not have any details on the core.

So, instead of realising that ANOTHER piece of evidence you come across disproves YOUR theory, you decide that your theory disproves the EVIDENCE.

So how can we trust you when you claim to have other evidence ?

 

[Belz...]

You are the paranoid one here.

Says the guy who believes everyone in the world has been hypnotised to ignore the evidence the only HE knows about.

 

[Architect]

Well, let's look as these drawings (again)

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/masterplan/docs/page07.jpg

General arrangement drawing. No sign of anything that looks like a concrete core. Hmmmm.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/masterplan/docs/page02.jpg

Basement plan. No concrete core. Lots of columns. Hmm!

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/masterplan/docs/page11.jpg

Upper floor plan. Still no sign of a concrete core. My, what a lot of columns though.....

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/masterplan/docs/page14.jpg

Schematic section of lists. Zzzz. Still no concrete core.


You know, I can see a pattern here.....

 

[Powa]

Yes, a pattern of...

*dramatic music*

...DECEPTION!

 

[JonnyFive]

Above you are falling short of reason and logic yourself. You must be specific to WHAT is not logical or not reasonable.

What is bizarre, overly complicated and nonsensical or weak. Your criticism is empty, illogical and unreasonable without this.
What evidence do they actually have? Let alone strong?

Right, ............. you think that is reasonable to expect. Why do you think such can be done by anyone person. You are not an idiot, you are ignorant.



You are the paranoid one here. Not too smart either.

If this were an interrogaton I'd leave you alone for a long time then pop in and say. "Tell me more." every now and then, Knowing that you really know very little but wanting to know what you think you know.

You know, I was going to go through my problems with your story (like everyone else hasn't done that to death), but I re-read your comments first and W...T...F?

Numerous people have posted here listing all the evidence they have against your position, and apparently that just doesn't phase you at all. Rather than posting even more convincing evidence to prove your point, you just slipped into ad hominem attacks. What the hell did I do to you other than say that I didn't believe your story based on the current evidence you presented.

Could you please just refute the evidence specifically.

So, is it possible to disagree with you and not be "ignorant", "not too smart", or "paranoid" (huh?)?

Seriously though, I want you to answer one question without calling me names: Why are you still alive if you know this? If you really knew about this horrendous conspiracy that involves the highest levels of power, why would the government let you or the other CTs go around talking about their plans? What purpose would that serve in the conspiracy?

Note that I currently do not believe that the government had any active role in this at all. I believe the intelligence system was screwed up, but I don't think that they planned or executed this. Therefore, I do not actually believe that the government is going to be coming to kill anyone. However, I want to know, assuming that you are 100% correct, why the government would not silence you.

Please answer without calling me names. I am not attacking you as a person, I am attacking your arguments. However, your calling me "not too smart" and suggesting that I know nothing will not make me more likely to believe your arguments.

 

[JonnyFive]

Well, let's look as these drawings (again)

Did someone just take those off the web site, they're not there anymore?

 

[firecoins]

at least 100 pages ago, Chris said he would not convinced. Can't we agree to just end this ridicuous thread?

 

[JonnyFive]

at least 100 pages ago, Chris said he would not convinced. Can't we agree to just end this ridicuous thread?

I don't know, it's kind of like a training ground for CT debate.

 

[hcmom]

at least 100 pages ago, Chris said he would not convinced. Can't we agree to just end this ridicuous thread?

Nooooooooo! It's much cheaper than anything else I'd be addicted to!

 

[JonnyFive]

Nooooooooo! It's much cheaper than anything else I'd be addicted to!

Exactly!

See, now I'm hooked and can't stop. I wonder why.

 

[Christophera]

Numerous people have posted here listing all the evidence they have against your position, and apparently that just doesn't phase you at all.

Their evidence consisted of misinterpreted construction drawings which showed vertical stel in the core area that was much smaller than the interio rbox columns surrounding the core area. That steel is elevator guide rail support steel and distinct with plates on top of it to bolt the sections together. It has no real strength or it would still be seen in the image of the WTC 2 core protruding from the core area. The interior box columns were the only columns associated with the core and thery were outside of it nad were truly "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS".

Rather than posting even more convincing evidence to prove your point, you just slipped into ad hominem attacks. What the hell did I do to you other than say that I didn't believe your story based on the current evidence you presented.

Could you please just refute the evidence specifically.

Can you please present evidence specifically for comment? I always get nasty when confronted with the inadequacy like the below.

Your evidence is weak, and the other side's evidence is strong.

Referring to the below. You have not been reading and have not discerned where I'm at with this. I believe that the US government is infiltrated.

Therefore, I do not actually believe that the government is going to be coming to kill anyone.

It is not smart to attempt to conduct discussion without actual raw evidence when authority is in question. Period.

My site documenting the concrete core is all about raw evidence.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

 

[Big Al]

C4 coated anchovies?

Mmm, delicious. On a rebar-soft base coated with lashings of mouthwatering concrete mozzarella...

I think we must frequent the same pizza parlour...