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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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why do you keep posting on this thread? (This is a question for anyone on this thread).

It's a curious mix of masochism, addiction, and entertainment...

I admire your perseverance, but not your optimism...
Well, so far it's remained entertaining. I'm not sure I'd pay money for it, and I think I'd be able to ignore it if it stops entertaining me...
 
Yes, as entertainment goes, this thread is right up there with reality tv... so bad, it's good, and you can take it or leave it.

Hellaeon, your cricket suggestion gives me an idea. Perhaps we need a streaker or two.

/me streaks through the thread with a probably-not-going-to-be-around-long new avatar.

Oh, and what happened to the socks? I gather Christophera hasn't agreed any questions have been answered.
 
* orphia nay;2128300 streaks through the thread with a probably-not-going-to-be-around-long new avatar.
I hope you aren't trying to start a new trend. I jump on an awful lot of band wagons, but I'm not so sure about that one...
 
Ah, hcmom, but that's the beauty of streaking. Not many people do it, hence its (er, supposed) effect.

I forgot to say, YAY, Admiral's here! Perhaps he can be our Arthur to pull the sword from Christophera's stone(walling), since this thread has reached mythical proportions. :rolleyes:

And, bonavada, you've made so many great posts in this thread, and your site is so hilarious, I think you deserve a medal of honour: :medalofho
Er, not that I'm authorised to give those out in this war, but on behalf of the ninjas, and the Humour Revolution, accept my thanks.
 
Lots of off topic babble, but who has some qualified raw evidence fro the supposed steel core columns?

Images from the demo will do. The last batch of interior box columns cannot be seen as core columns so that won't suffice.

How about a feasible explanation for free fall (near) or total pulverization?

Spod will bop you with his ballast if evidence is not produced soon, you know how animals are.
 
Spod will bop you with his ballast if evidence is not produced soon, you know how animals are.

For anyone who wants to know why I'm here, that's why.

(Not to be bopped by ballast hehehehehehehe but because of Chris' occaisional choice to be funny)
 
Lots of off topic babble, but who has some qualified raw evidence fro the supposed steel core columns?

Images from the demo will do. The last batch of interior box columns cannot be seen as core columns so that won't suffice.

How about a feasible explanation for free fall (near) or total pulverization?

CTist Rorschach test time: what do you see here, Chris?

http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/disasters/index_low.jsp?id=911
(Pic at top right sidebar; click to enlarge.)


Spod will bop you with his ballast if evidence is not produced soon, you know how animals are.

Hahahaha! Funny, he said the same thing to me about you. He's a contrary sort, that Spod, but are you sure your unconscious wasn't hearing that instead?
 
How about a feasible explanation for free fall (near) or total pulverization?

Could you please take a stand on the free fall issue?

Either it is not important, as you said before, so stop bringin it up.

Or it is important, and ifso, you have to provide times for both the total collapse of the towers and the time it should have taken, according to you.

Which is it, Christophera?

Also, the towers did not totally pulverize. GZ was coverd with debris for months.
 
The sheetrock covers a hallway on WTC 2. Why the sheerock still exists attests to the efficiency of the C4 coated rebar.

Remember William Rodriugez and the cracking walls, remember the explosions in the basement.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1205439


i must pin you down here.

are you now admitting that the image shows only sheetrock and not your 17' concrete structure? if not can you please indicate where that concrete structure is on the image.

BV
 
Try some raw images of steel core columns first.

Sorry, chris. Since you admitted they weren't raw, every comment of yours calling them raw can now safely be ignored.

You don't have the official construction plans for the towers. nobody does, (explain that???)

Er... they're beign withheld. Boy, that was hard.

and you have no raw evidence of images of steel core columns from the demo showing any of the supposed 47, 1300 foot tempered stel core columns at some elevation abover ground clearly showing the columns in the core area.

That one's easy: images aren't raw evidence, therefore I cannot have "raw evidence of images".

What court? Show me a functional court that can take a civil action and treat it lawfully, rightfully.

Show me a DA that will make an information for prosecution based on evidence.

Cynicism won't take you anywhere. Why should we believe that EVERY court, EVERYwhere is ineffective ?

And mine is RAW EVIDENCE of images from the demolition exposing all the major elements of the towers.

So, that wasn't a typo ? "Raw evidence OF images" ? Well, yeah. You have raw evidence OF images, but the images AREN'T raw evidence. Add to that the fact that the images don't show what you claim they show, except when you admit that what we see could be dust, and you pretty much don't have a case.
 
Basically I see you are ignorant of the true condition of our legal systems and law enforcement and will not be educated, then ask me to go use dysfunctional systems.

An easy non-answer.

Now it's your turn unless, ........... you support the infiltration and murder of innocent people, then you'll do nothing other than what you have been doing.

Appeal to emotions, again.

The videographers didn't film anything in 1987 during production. They compiled 16mm film and stills that the architects and contractors had taken during constrcution. There were no shots of the rebar specifically, it was a part of general shots regarding the concrete core. The videographers learned by various means of the security regarding the rebar with the "special plastic coating".

How very indirect. How can you be certain that they were correct if they didn't show it ?

You are commenting a little early, I have not yet answered powa's post which mistates my post.

Yes, you tend to use that word, "mistate", often.

But that IS your position, right ? That the court system is ineffective ?

Now, if that's the case, and everybody but you is hypnotised, and nothing you'll ever do will change anything, why bother, again ? If you KNOW you can't make a difference, which you've pretty much admitted, why bother at all, love for your country or not ?

I understand high explosives and went through all the processes needed to create the effect seen here with the concrete core and determined that the explosives had to have been exactly centered and optimally distributed.

The is NO OTHE WAY to get that effect.

Watch the video, chris.

You imply that 2 stories were completely removed. This is a complete error and not possible under any condition. We know there was not even enough heat to get a piece of steel cherry red in one small area let alone over 4 sides. These are fantastic suppositions.

Curious how the people who really know this stuff all disagree with you and the only ones who see it your way are laymen.

How about you come up with alternative explanation for near free fall and total pulverization which is supported by images of the demolition in all ways such as I have here,

I don't need to. They are unimportant.
 
All of those were since 9-11 I will bet.

The same thing was stated about the WTC when it was built.

No, there was one from 1983, or did you forget ?

It was not the builders that lied. They are goiing along with the lie

Now why would they do that, exactly ?

(A)Fire does not effect concrete like it does metal. Americans have been dumbed down and are more likely to accept metal weakened by heat than concrete.

But you said so, yourself. Doesn't that make YOU dumbed down, too ?

(B.)If everyone knew it was a concrete core and it collapsed, they would REALLY wonder why there were no masssive chunks of concrete.

Just like Truthseeker1234, but they'd be wrong. Considering the scale of the collapse, there SHOULDN'T be large chunks of concrete left.

It was a public building. They HAD TO PROVIDE the data. The Port Authority HAD to as well. PBS has granting sources and they can be approached independently.

They HAD TO, but now they don't ? And if they were trying to cover up this fact, you'd think they'd manage to circumvent what they HAD TO do.

The videographers noted that there was some resistance to their requests and I believe they used the F.O.I.A. for some of them. Not sure on that. Maybe they just threatened too but didn't have to.

That's some mighty speculation, there.

Yes. The strangeness of the security around the rebar was noted as well as the unannounced evacuations of floors by workers just before concrete was poured.

Poured or pumped ?

Yes, I got a eerie feeling when considering the special security around the rebar and other security measures and the makers of the documentary also had those feeling which were lightly voiced.

Oh, you remember that now ?

On 9-11 watching WTC fall I KNEW that documentary was long gone from PBS. Not because I rememebred all of the data about the rebar and security issues but I realized that information about the construction of the towers would be something that would be highly regulated.

I thought you said you realised how they fell many months later ? You should keep track of your lies, chris.

The rate of fall is not particuarly important to me.

Then why do you ask for an explanation for it ?

Yes, the fall, not collapse, of materials, not buildings (because they were already pulverized when falling) was too symetrical for the official story.

Really, this doesn't look symmetrical.

I'm gettin information to the American public so they can create justice.

But they're all hypnotised, right ? How are you going to succeed ?

The linked IMAGE shows the core and that material, of all the materials that might be there, can only be concrete because only concrete would survive the massive loads crashing around it to stand with that rounded shape.

Or dust.

Imagine a mighty tower with a concrete core 1,300 feet tall, 17 foot thick walls at the base and 2 foot thick at the top. Here is a picture of the top of the core inside the outer walls falling onto WTC 3. Poor little #3, it gets badly squished.

Where's the concrete ?
 
And, bonavada, you've made so many great posts in this thread, and your site is so hilarious, I think you deserve a medal of honour: :medalofho
Er, not that I'm authorised to give those out in this war, but on behalf of the ninjas, and the Humour Revolution, accept my thanks.

<blush>much humble thanks orphia</blush>

now let me get my uniform on before you pin that to my heaving breast.....


BV
 
And the fine clouds of particualte needs explanation, and what you are doing is trying to dissmiis the only comprehensive explanation in existence.

Unfortunately from this distance, you can't tell the size of the particles.

You haven't provided any proof that C4 cannot be solvented by acetone or another chemical. It is logical that a plastic explosive can be cut, rebar dipped in a sluury then the sovent allowed to evaporate to the original consistency then cast in concrete and preserved.

It's logical that the sun revolves around the Earth, too, until you actually start to learn.

Your issue of 3 inch rebar has alread been proven wrong by this image of 3" REBAR ON 4' CENTERS. It certainlky is not smaller than 3 inches

Those are still box columns, by your account.

Correct, free fall is not the issue here, explanations for it or a rate of fall near it are.

Uh-huh. But what if we could show that "free fall" isn't a problem at all ? It wouldn't require an explanation then, would it ? Wouldn't that mean that it IS an issue ?

The C4 is not encapsulated in a slurry form. I feel that C4 would not detonate in that form.

Come again ? You FEEL ???

I learned of the process from a magazine article published in the early 1970's which described how navy seal divers discovered and used the process without orders to stay off the bottom using a jack hammer knocking a hole in a sub base wall that engineers were trying to keep secret by not putting on the first set of plans.

They were caught setting off ordinanace without orders, gave up their information to an investigating officer who then handed it to explosives engineers who then developed it into a widespread construction method for self destruct sub bases and missle silos.

You're sure you didn't read it in a novel, instead ?
 
Oh, and what happened to the socks? I gather Christophera hasn't agreed any questions have been answered.

If the socks are still a viable resource, I'd like to pick them up, but I'm divided on what to ask. We could either discuss

a) this magazine article Christophera has come up with

or

b) something totally unrelated to the thread

It might be interesting to see how dedicated Chris is to discussing 3x4 rebar when nobody else even mentions anything related to 9/11.
 
If the socks are still a viable resource, I'd like to pick them up, but I'm divided on what to ask. We could either discuss

a) this magazine article Christophera has come up with

or

b) something totally unrelated to the thread

It might be interesting to see how dedicated Chris is to discussing 3x4 rebar when nobody else even mentions anything related to 9/11.

if:
a) then ok, come on chris! magazine title, publication date etc pronto. with chris' highly efficient memcam this should be easy.

if:
b) then ok, what's worse? warm beer or cheeky kids?

BV
 
I'd like to ask why Chris reveals all these (as he thinks) slam-dunk revelations only after so much fruitless wrangling.

  • First, this mythical PBS documentary...
  • Then, that his ex-wife remembers it...
  • "Oh! She can't actually remember anything about it..."
  • "Well, of course, "they" wiped out all references to it"
  • "Hey! I'm really a structural engineer and explosives expert!"
  • "Well, virtually..."
  • "I read a magazine article about Navy SEALs slurrying C-4 in the 1970s!" (No doubt, all reference to this article has now been expunged, too: I spent ten minutes trying every Google combination I could think of to support this solvent slurrying and found nothing).
Chris still hasn't explained how they got round C-4's 10-year life other than implying that having it encased in concrete would do the trick. He hasn't responded to the fact that reinforcing rebar revealed when reinforced concrete is cracked open is always rusty - I've often noticed that - or just why the authorities would load skyscrapers full of explosives just in case they might want to blow them up later.

And I don't think he ever will.
 
I'd like to ask why Chris reveals all these (as he thinks) slam-dunk revelations only after so much fruitless wrangling.

  • First, this mythical PBS documentary...
  • Then, that his ex-wife remembers it...
  • "Oh! She can't actually remember anything about it..."
  • "Well, of course, "they" wiped out all references to it"
  • "Hey! I'm really a structural engineer and explosives expert!"
  • "Well, virtually..."
  • "I read a magazine article about Navy SEALs slurrying C-4 in the 1970s!" (No doubt, all reference to this article has now been expunged, too: I spent ten minutes trying every Google combination I could think of to support this solvent slurrying and found nothing).
Chris still hasn't explained how they got round C-4's 10-year life other than implying that having it encased in concrete would do the trick. He hasn't responded to the fact that reinforcing rebar revealed when reinforced concrete is cracked open is always rusty - I've often noticed that - or just why the authorities would load skyscrapers full of explosives just in case they might want to blow them up later.

And I don't think he ever will.

i'd like to add:
  • the time-shifting mohawk
  • mike pecararo's "sucked off" fire-door
  • the drywall that "looks like" concrete
  • the 3" rebar "seen" at long distance in a .jpg image
  • the rate of fall that doesn't matter but we must explain it
  • the total pulverisation that didn't happen but we must explain it
  • the involvement of scores of official/independent agencies with hundreds of employees yet not one whistleblower after 5+ years
  • a comprehensive plausible NIST report that christophera refuses to read
there are many more but i finally add to this christophera's statement that NOTHING will EVER change his mind.
so, from all this i think we can safely say that chris is errrrrr rather set in his beliefs. i for one though do not think what we do here is a lost cause. if only if we manage to prevent kooks like chris propagating this moronic drivel to a less "turned on" audience.

BV
 
Raw Image Alert!

hey chris! do these remind you of anything?
what you reckon? torched, sawn or assploded?

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(from Nova: Why the towers Fell)

BV
 
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