Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[hcmom]

All of them?

OMG!! I think he can see me!

 

[NobbyNobbs]

I think I have to agree with Gravy. Enough is enough. Christophera is sick, and there's not much we can do to help him. In fact, even though I know it's not generally JREF policy, I'm wondering if an admin shouldn't close this thread. I know Christophera will view that as a victory of sorts, and I'm ok with that. But come on, people, please stop feeding the animals, especially when they're rabid.

 

[stundie]

Stundie.......What do you think of the OP's (christophera's) concrete core/embedded c4 theory?

If Christophera really believes that, then he is one of the few who have let the conspiracy goto his head. I certainly do not think that this is the case. I believe that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition but they were not planted in the construction. Put Scott Forbes & William Rodriguez into too google to find out more on that Theory.

 

[Big Les]

If Christophera really believes that, then he is one of the few who have let the conspiracy goto his head. I certainly do not think that this is the case. I believe that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition but they were not planted in the construction. Put Scott Forbes & William Rodriguez into too google to find out more on that Theory.

I don't know, in a way I'd rather listen to Chris' arguments. They're so much more pure of intention and innocent than those of the (arguably) more sane members of your "movement". I guess I'm repelled by calculating social inadequates with an agenda, more than I am by someone who is genuinely suffering from paranoid delusions and should be afforded help by medical professionals.

 

[PerryLogan]

Judging from his last post, Chris can even read minds. The belief that they can read people's minds seems to be common amongst conspiracy folks.

I once heard Alex Jones say he knew what people were going to say before they finished speaking. No wonder we can't get through to these people.

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[Belz...]

I realized that the only way to get this effect with high explosives and concrete is to put the explosives exactly in the center and distribute them optimally throughout the structure.

You realised wrong. Stop looking at still pictures.

Use a solvent like acetone or alcohol, make a slurry, coat the bar, let the solvent evaporate and place the bar in position for forming, then form and pour.

If you had experience as a craftsman you would know these things, if you were reading you would know that the DOC. did not say there were explosives built in.

Are you sure you can do that with C4 ?

 

[Belz...]

You will have to prove this or be guilty of misrepresentation. Come back with links please.

Sorry, chris. YOUR claim. You're the one that claims this documentary exists and YOU're the one that keeps adding new stuff to it. Either prove it exists or retract your claim. I don't give a damn if I'm guilty of anything in your mind.

You have just totally misrepresented stundie's post.

I was beign sarcastic. Boy you ARE dense.

What you are seeing is pulverized plumes of sand, gravel, dust trailing and a few larger chunks of debris flying outward and up.

On that still, sure. Watch the video, instead.

I'm familiar with every method that exists and what is seen is far too smooth for any of them under those conditions.

Other people also familiar with those methods have disagreed with you on this thread.

Your brain is being selective.

 

[Belz...]

I think the funny bit revolves around the compelling evidence for a steel core on his very own web site.

It's only compelling if you ignore the fact that no image of the steel core columns exists and the images of the concrete are many and the statements about the concrete core from uninterested sources.

Or dust.

There was nothing "exposed" about the explosives. The site had heavy security and the rebar was kept in its own locked container with a security guard, That was a part of the video.

So, no architect objected to having highly-flammable material as part of the structure ?

Your image shows an interior box column falling towards the core area.

What, no rebar ? How can rebar APPEAR in the following picture ?

Still, have you found a credible, feasible explanation for near free fall and total pulverization

Minor points.

It shows how badly you do not want to know this truth.

The more you argue the more you see the truth, the less you want to know it, the more you have to argue.

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[maccy]

Okay, you do it head on and I'll come in from the side.


I'm totally aware of what I'm attempting to do, and I believe I'm trying to do it in the right place. Americans have a psychological problem. Why do you think I put my 9-11 demo site in the /psych/ directory?

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

I knew from the beginning that the denial was immense. A psychological monstrosity, but one that must be challenged never the less.

What I said to homer goes for all of you and your inability to let this argument go.

It shows how badly you do not want to know this truth.

The more you argue the more you see the truth, the less you want to know it, the more you have to argue.

It is your unconscious homer.

For me it is different but just as intense. I know how important the truth is for you even though you don't want to know it. This is so because I know it is the truth.

Recall a TV series called the "Marathon Man"? There was a line in it that I will never forget. I do believe that very important information is leaked to us through art, film, literature and music.

"Will you still want to know the truth after you learn it is something you do not want to know?"

I just don't think you're going to do much about this denial by arguing directly with a bunch of skeptics - the stubbornest people on the planet. Also directly confronting people makes them defensive. Perhaps your efforts are best directed at people who are likely to be susceptable? And that by gentle persuasion and storytelling rather than hitting them head on with arguments that they can only rationalise to be crazy. Surely imparting the information a little at a time will give them a chance to become aware of what's what?

That's why I thought random flyers would be a good idea, keep it simple, put one or two things on the flyer that will give a gentle push to peoples consciousness. Leave the flyers in random places - cafes, busses, libraries etc - try and get a wide distribution. Because you're not confronting people directly - all the will see is an intersting looking piece of paper, lying somewhere. This means that they will approach it in a spirit of curiosity rather than a spirit of confrontation - and be more receptive to the ideas that it contains.

Another way would be storytelling - people are naturally inclined to suspend their resistence and to believe in a story, that is the way to enoy it. If you worte fictional stoies that nevertheless describe the truth and got them into magazines, fanzines and webzines then people would read them and absorb the ideas within them. That way, when, confonted with the facts they are more likely to resist them because of what society expects.

By arguing here you are trying persaude maybe 20 people who are determined not to believe you. There's a whole world out there, perhaps your energies would be more productively used elsewhere?

 

[Peter S.]

I think I have to agree with Gravy. Enough is enough. Christophera is sick, and there's not much we can do to help him. In fact, even though I know it's not generally JREF policy, I'm wondering if an admin shouldn't close this thread. I know Christophera will view that as a victory of sorts, and I'm ok with that. But come on, people, please stop feeding the animals, especially when they're rabid.

There is precedent for closing down threads such as this. I had asked Chris to take a look at "The Carlos Swett Affair" thread, which bears striking similarities to this one. That thread was closed, and it only went for 35 pages.

Chris, have you read that thread? I would be interested in hearing what you think about it before the admins shut down this one too!

 

[maccy]

There is precident for closing down threads such as this. I had asked Chris to take a look at "The Carlos Swett Affair" thread, which bears striking similarities to this one

I think that if this thread is closed down then Chris will just open another one. The only way I can see this ending is if

1. Chris stops posting;

2. everybody else stops posting; or

3. Chris is banned.

3 is not going to happen, and nor should it.

I think it's in Chris' best ineterests to stop posting on this thread and I hope that eveyone else can aid in this by not arguing with him.

And, with that, I'm out.

 

[Belz...]

I just don't think you're going to do much about this denial by arguing directly with a bunch of skeptics - the stubbornest people on the planet.

Actually, I think skeptics are the least stubborn ones, because they lean where the evidence points; instead of sticking with preconceived notions.

Also directly confronting people makes them defensive.

This thread is a prime example.

Perhaps your efforts are best directed at people who are likely to be susceptable?

You're not helping, maccy. This disease need not be spread.

 

[billydkid]

Maxim:
If a suppossed explantion does not explain the event, it is not the truth. No explanation that does not explain the event can be the truth.

So far no explanation in existence explains free fall and total pulverization of the towers appears to exist. Has anyone seen one?

My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that two large aircraft crashed into them.

 

[Christophera]

All of them?

No, that IS a generalization. Those who cannot use evidence showing a concrete core but have no evidence of 47 1,300 foot steel core columns from images of the demolition are the leadership.

 

[Christophera]

You realised wrong. Stop looking at still pictures.



Are you sure you can do that with C4 ?

Nearly all plastics are soluable in some solvent. Acetone I believe will cut it.

 

[Christophera]

That doesn't even make sense.

The unconscious does not make sense.

 

[Garb]

The unconscious does not make sense.

That had nothing to do with the unconscious mind.

 

[Christophera]

My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that two large aircraft crashed into them.

That only explains holes in the towers and fires, perhaps at the most the top falling off of a tower.

The towers were built much stronger than FEMA and NIST assert. They do not use images of the demolition to explain the event, which is not logical because that is the forensic evidence of the event.

The images are totally incongruent with the official explanation.

The image at bottom shows fine particulate from concrete being thrown out in a heavy, uniform wave hundreds of feet. A collapse has structural members, still connected separating from others and falling off the side or, the entire tower toppling.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4237&stc=1&d=1164304905

 

[Garb]

That only explains holes in the towers and fires, perhaps at the most the top falling off of a tower.

Where would this momentum come from that would be able to push a part of the tower sideways?

The towers were built much stronger than FEMA and NIST assert. They do not use images of the demolition to explain the event, which is not logical because that is the forensic evidence of the event.

That isn't forensic evidence.

The images are totally incongruent with the official explanation.

Sure, with the images that you cherrypick. You use maybe 5 images total, and you do not use any other pictures from that day, or video.

The image at bottom shows fine particulate from concrete being thrown out in a heavy, uniform wave hundreds of feet. A collapse has structural members, still connected separating from others and falling off the side or, the entire tower toppling.

You cannot tell whether is it fine powder, let alone if that powder is concrete.

 

[Christophera]

It shows how badly you do not want to know this truth.

The more you argue the more you see the truth, the less you want to know it, the more you have to argue.

It is your unconscious homer.

That doesn't even make sense.

The unconscious does not make sense.

That had nothing to do with the unconscious mind.

You are not reading, or you do not make sense.