Stundie's "people who don't buy the official theory" thread

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The other substantive part of stundie's opening post in the hopeless christophera concrete core thread was this list:

stundie said:
BTW Other tin hat wearers who don't buy the official story are: -

Rep. Curt Weldon – Vice Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Vice Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Ten-term Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania.
Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1996 - 2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982 - 1996. Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977 - 1981. Captain, U.S. Army awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries
Senator Bob Graham – Former U.S. Senator from Florida 1987 - 2005. Former Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Co-Chairman of the Joint House-Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (JICI) that investigated the events of 9/11. Former Governor of Florida 1979 - 1986
Senator Mark Dayton – Senate Committee on Armed Services, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Services. U.S. Senator from Minnesota.
Louis Freeh – Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001. Former U.S. District Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by President George H.W. Bush. Former Deputy United States Attorney in New York. Former FBI agent. Former officer in the United States Army JAG Corps Reserve.
Edward L. Peck – Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under Ronald Reagan. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq (1977 - 1980). 32-year veteran of the Foreign Service.
Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, "Father of Reaganomics", Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the independent institute.
Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Commanding General of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.
Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 - 1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. From 1990 through 1994, he served as Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C.
Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech).
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines
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I've started this thread so that stundie can provide evidence for this claim.
 
maccy said:
The other substantive part of stundie's opening post in the hopeless christophera concrete core thread was this list:



I've started this thread so that stundie can provide evidence for this claim.
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From my underdtanding most or all of these people do believe in CT or strongly suggest CT's to different extents.
I agree with him that some of these people are " tin hat wearers"
Major General Albert Stubblebine is the first that comes to mind.
 
Kent1 said:
From my underdtanding most or all of these people do believe in CT or strongly suggest CT's to different extents.
I agree with him that some of these people are " tin hat wearers"
Major General Albert Stubblebine is the first that comes to mind.
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I should make it clear that stundie's use of the phrase "tin hat wearers" is ironic and he is citing this list in support of his, as yet unspecified, "inside job" theories.
 
Well what happens is Bob Graham says that XYZ document isn't being shown to them because it's being kept secret by ABC agency, so he makes a statement like "it'll be X years until we get the full truth about 9/11", and since he used the word "truth" and "9/11" in the same sentence, he gets added to the list of people who don't "buy" the official story, in a clever attempt to imply that their cause is widespread.
 
Weldon, my lame duck Representative, was leading the charge to investigate Able Danger. He lambasted the Defense Intelligence Agency for obstructing the investigation and initiating a smear campaign against whistleblower Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer.

He believed that the investigation into Able Danger would turn up evidence of pre-9/11 incompetence and that defense officials were engaged in a CYA campaign.

He's never suggested any intentional US involvement in 9/11.
 
The unfortunately reality is that truthers consider the CYA-coverup investigators as people "on their side". That's probably never going to go away unless we mounted some kind of campaign of getting them to state, on the record, their positions.
 
Anti-sophist said:
The unfortunately reality is that truthers consider the CYA-coverup investigators as people "on their side". That's probably never going to go away unless we mounted some kind of campaign of getting them to state, on the record, their positions.
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That's why they can claim that 138% (or whatever) of Americans support their position.
 
If all these important people believe a conspiracy by the US govt to kill 3000 of it's own citizens then shouldn't they be..... like..... doing something about it?

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It's kind of sad that we can start a thread like this, make their point for them, explain the sources and the issues for them, and then debunk it. With no input, at all, from them.

We don't even need conspiracy theorists anymore.
 
Interesting. This is tantamount to the Aryan Nation claiming that everybody who has a problem with affirmative action is 'on their side'.
 
uk_dave said:
If all these important people believe a conspiracy by the US govt to kill 3000 of it's own citizens then shouldn't they be..... like..... doing something about it?

:m1helmet:
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Sheesh, Do Something? Give them a break. How are they supposed to make youtube videos and post on Internet forums when they have real jobs. ;)
 
 
Anti-sophist said:
Well what happens is Bob Graham says that XYZ document isn't being shown to them because it's being kept secret by ABC agency, so he makes a statement like "it'll be X years until we get the full truth about 9/11", and since he used the word "truth" and "9/11" in the same sentence, he gets added to the list of people who don't "buy" the official story, in a clever attempt to imply that their cause is widespread.
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You're probably not far off there :D IIRC, Graham's book Intelligence Matters is very critical of the Bush administration's response to and investigation of 9/11, and Graham does believe there was more Saudi involvement than the 9/11 Commission concluded (he believes Omar al-Bayoumi - who Graham thinks was spying for the Saudis - helped out the hijackers).

I really don't think, and hope Graham's not, a tin-hat wearer...
 
maccy said:
Here are some links to the information that wikipedia has for these people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Weldon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Cleland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Graham
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Dayton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Freeh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Peck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_D._Ray

I've only skimmed through these but there seems to be some interesting reading here.
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PC Roberts writes some incisive stuff. He really understands how governments work, but his articles all carry a strain of "Chicken Little" that is disturbing.

He seems to be really mad at neocons, so much so that it blurs his judgment. I still read his columns now and again.

DR
 
Anti-sophist said:
The unfortunately reality is that truthers consider the CYA-coverup investigators as people "on their side". That's probably never going to go away unless we mounted some kind of campaign of getting them to state, on the record, their positions.
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Another one of these is Colleen Rowley, who ran for Congress in Minnesota and lost. If you read her website, it has a lot of information about her efforts to hold the CIA's feet to the fire for their handling of the 9-11 investigation. It's difficult to summarize in one sentence, but suffice it to say that there's no evidence she believes the WTC towers were destroyed by Star Wars Death Beams or anything of that sort. Of course, the twoofers claimed her as one of the candidates alongside their likes of Bob Bowman, and called her a "9-11 Whistleblower" as if she were Sibel Edmonds.

Should we be letting these people know that their names are being co-opted by the psycho misfits that make up the "9-11 Truth" movement, and that their beliefs are being represented? Rowley seems to have a powerful commitment to finding out why our intelligence system failed, even at the risk of her own career. And Bob Graham doesn't seem the conspiracy type either. I bet these people would be furious to know they're being associated with these kooks.
 
Triterope said:
Should we be letting these people know that their names are being co-opted by the psycho misfits that make up the "9-11 Truth" movement, and that their beliefs are being represented? Rowley seems to have a powerful commitment to finding out why our intelligence system failed, even at the risk of her own career. And Bob Graham doesn't seem the conspiracy type either. I bet these people would be furious to know they're being associated with these kooks.
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I don't know what extent these people are being co-opted. Stundie has only said that they "don't buy" the official version, nothing else. Also we don't know what stundie's take on it beyond "things don't add up". You can read the whole of stundie's original post here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2118440#post2118440

If s/he posts again perhaps s/he will make things clearer.
 
Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, "Father of Reaganomics", Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the independent institute.
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This guy, a former big wig in the reagan era, seems to be a bit of a truther. He certainly believes in the NEOCON/PNAC/JEWISH adgenda, amking several references to the jews and such, as well as discussing 9/11 on this video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6079520924777181036

TAM

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After listening to his take on 9/11...yup, he is a truther...sad, but true. And he thinks the american people are gullible sheeple.

TAM
 
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