Are the CTers getting bored yet?

[EGarrett]

Considering that nothing has come of this (and nothing will come of this), are they bored yet? I'm just calmly waiting for the traffic in this particular forum to die out.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

once the 9/11 conspiracy dies another CT will pop up, we'll see a resurgence in moon hoaxers or something

 

[ArmillarySphere]

I was bored with the 9/11 conspiracy theories about fifteen minutes after I first heard about them. Only reason I bother with the Apollo Hoax ones is that I sometimes pick up some interesting scientific or engineering tidbit I didn't know about.

 

[T.A.M.]

I think, like most of us, the CTers get bored with it, but then, like us, someone will bring up some knew point on it, and the whole thing begins again.

TAM

 

[Bell]

I'm getting bored with the deniers. And with Christophera Monk especially. Everything is going round and round with the nutters. Free fall, pull it, cruise missile, no planes, no fires, bombs in the buildings... *sigh* Everything has been debunked a thousand times by the hardcore debunkers, but does it help? Nooo... *pop* and the next troofer enters, starting the same BS again.

 

[Pipirr]

I guess my interest is maintained by encounters with real people who expressed sympathy/interest/belief in 9/11 twoof. Face to face, you can get somewhere, but here, the main protagonists remain unswayed by the mountains of evidence daily dumped on them. There are some very patient JREFers on these boards and to me, the discourse and their efforts has been valuable. We the lurkers thank you.

I hope one day the twoof movement becomes as disreputable as the Apollo hoax. But it's not there yet.

 

[PerryLogan]

Really weird stuff

If you want to have fun with a CT, get him loosened up and ask him about the really weird stuff he believes!

Most 9/11 Truthers aren't telling you the half of it, you know. They're all holding back the really weird things they believe. If you could get them to talkingf freely, you would soon hear some truly bizarre things.

Chances are, the Truther believes 9/11 is part of a much larger conspiracy--and then's when the fun begins. I'm convinced that every single CT has his own version of who's taking over--a version that only he in all the world has figured out, of course.

Someone is taking it over, but only a few CTs in all the world can figure it out. It's the Masons, or the Zionists, or aliens, or robot ants from Mars, or somebody.

As I like to point out, Alex Jones thinks the secret ruling elite of the world can live forever and have publically announced an intention to kill 80% of us. Alex Jones is the only guy in the world who has figured this out.

David Icke believes the ruling elite are shape-changing, interdimensional lizards. Now you think I'm on acid.

The point would be that studying CTs can get far weirder than their 9/11 theories. If your interest is waning, you should ask some of these guys what they're holding back.

 

[Kent1]

If you want to have fun with a CT, get him loosened up and ask him about the really weird stuff he believes!

Most 9/11 Truthers aren't telling you the half of it, you know. They're all holding back the really weird things they believe. If you could get them to talkingf freely, you would soon hear some truly bizarre things.

Chances are, the Truther believes 9/11 is part of a much larger conspiracy--and then's when the fun begins. I'm convinced that every single CT has his own version of who's taking over--a version that only he in all the world has figured out, of course.

Someone is taking it over, but only a few CTs in all the world can figure it out. It's the Masons, or the Zionists, or aliens, or robot ants from Mars, or somebody.

As I like to point out, Alex Jones thinks the secret ruling elite of the world can live forever and have publically announced an intention to kill 80% of us. Alex Jones is the only guy in the world who has figured this out.

David Icke believes the ruling elite are shape-changing, interdimensional lizards. Now you think I'm on acid.

The point would be that studying CTs can get far weirder than their 9/11 theories. If your interest is waning, you should ask some of these guys what they're holding back.

You have a point. For example Steven Jones seemes to be a strong believer in UFO's. Fetzer believes in the "no moon landing" conspiracy, another Scholar is a big bigfoot reseacher. Almost every CT'er I've had contact with, tends to have a whole tag line of the stereotypical kooky believes. Numberology is also very common.

Very extreme religious believes are also common. Some like quickandthedead believes that "a miracle from god " is giving us clues telling the people about the controled demolition of the twin towers.

 

[Horatius]

Very extreme religious believes are also common. Some like quickandthedead believes that "a miracle from god " is giving us clues telling the people about the controled demolition of the twin towers.

Well, that would explain all the stupid mistakes the conspirators have made, despite their otherwise supernatural competence in executing such a plan.

Too bad I'm an atheist, otherwise this might convince me

 

[David Wong]

There really has been a decline in the number of 9/11 CTers on these boards the last few weeks, I think. It seems to be the same three or four very high volume posters posting the same threads again and again and again and again and again.

It's not like there are dozens and dozens of strangers wandering in and posting. Strangely, the South Park episode seems to have been the death knell for the movement as a popular, mainstream thing. There were lots of interviews and specials done around the anniversary but that's about it. I think the opportunity for this thing to get traction among non-crazy people has closed.

 

[T.A.M.]

List of Nails in the coffin of the "truth" movement:

1. coming/going of 5th ani with little fanfare
2. South park episode
3. DEMs winning house+senate
4. Rumsfeld resignation
5. Self Destruction of LC Forum board
6. Severing of Scholars into Reynolds/Rajter/Woods vs Fetzer/Jones camps

I am sure there are others, but these were six biggies.

TAM

 

[Toro]

If you want to have fun with a CT, get him loosened up and ask him about the really weird stuff he believes!

Most 9/11 Truthers aren't telling you the half of it, you know. They're all holding back the really weird things they believe. If you could get them to talkingf freely, you would soon hear some truly bizarre things.

Chances are, the Truther believes 9/11 is part of a much larger conspiracy--and then's when the fun begins. I'm convinced that every single CT has his own version of who's taking over--a version that only he in all the world has figured out, of course.

Someone is taking it over, but only a few CTs in all the world can figure it out. It's the Masons, or the Zionists, or aliens, or robot ants from Mars, or somebody.

As I like to point out, Alex Jones thinks the secret ruling elite of the world can live forever and have publically announced an intention to kill 80% of us. Alex Jones is the only guy in the world who has figured this out.

David Icke believes the ruling elite are shape-changing, interdimensional lizards. Now you think I'm on acid.

The point would be that studying CTs can get far weirder than their 9/11 theories. If your interest is waning, you should ask some of these guys what they're holding back.

Great point.

I had one 9/11 CTer tell me that the Protocols of the Elders Zion was not a fraud and a great description of the current global system.

 

[kookbreaker]

A lot of the 'lightweight' CTers probably would find some minor conspiracy to harp on. I'm betting that much of the movement would have been shouting 'FREE MUMIA' nonsense right now had 9/11 not taken place.

 

[Foolmewunz]

List of Nails in the coffin of the "truth" movement:

1. coming/going of 5th ani with little fanfare
2. South park episode
3. DEMs winning house+senate
4. Rumsfeld resignation
5. Self Destruction of LC Forum board
6. Severing of Scholars into Reynolds/Rajter/Woods vs Fetzer/Jones camps

I am sure there are others, but these were six biggies.

TAM

I like the list, but I'd reorder it. I'd move number 5 up to 3rd and 6 up to 4th, but that's a nitpick. I think what these items have done, though, is to peel away the sycophants and hangers-on; sort of the outer leaves of the artichoke that is the truth movement. All we're left with is the edible parts!

But, you've captured two of my pet theories and themes, here.

The prime factor IMHO was the complete lack of coverage, support, or mass uprising on the 5th anniversary. I think these guys style themselves more in the anti-establishment social movements of the 60's than towards (say) the JFK conspiracy. The anti-war, hippie, and civil rights movements all met in a middle ground in the 60's and did somewhat change the shape of society. These tinfoilers really thought they were going to effect the same sort of groundswell and that by now, they'd all be dancing nekkid at Woodstock!

The second factor is something I've been harping on for a while. There's sometimes nothing better than ridicule to snap a sycophant out of his delusions. South Park isn't considered mainstream media (it is, but let's not admit that), and isn't ABC News. When a "cool, hip" show derides one of your views, you stop and think a bit. (Yeah, some of them can think.) All you need to totally drive these guys from the darkside is some major sex-bomb of a young actress to have a line in her next film saying something about never being able to think of going out with a nutcase conspiracist!

And both of those led to the cannibalization and in-fighting at Loose Change. The political issues are just proof that there were as many Loosers who were simply anti-Bush, and they got more interested in the elections. With some interesting battles coming up in Congress, hopefully they stay focused on reality (if the US Congress can be called "reality"), and forget about beam weapons and drones and black helicopters.

 

[hellaeon]

The David Icke stuff is particularly retarded. I had an old friend try and tell me that the only reason it sounded stupid was because I was taught to think a certain way and all the secret knowledge was withheld. That was pretty much the turning point for my dabblings in CT's. I was a sheep and needed to think outside the box because I never took this rubbish on face value as he did.

I was told so much about him, then I went to his website (horrrrrrrible to navigate, such a typical CTist website) and read up on ridiculous things such as personal accounts of being raped by alien lizards and other complete idiots talking of the 10 years they lived with an alien shape shifter without knowing etc. Common sense tells you these people clearly are attention seeking or have mental issues, but no, these are the first hand accounts and evidence of Icke's grand theories he uses on his site.

He honestly thinks Bush and blair and the whole bloodline of the monarchy (or some family guild) are all Shape shifting lizards. I'd feel sorry for him if I could stop laughing when I think about it.

For me the attraction is kind of a sado masochistic thing where I enjoy watching these people really get shown up for their idiocy. Its like the person in the workplace that no one likes, always says the wrong thing at the wrong time, always starts fights between staff, spreads gossip and generally you want to snap in half. It feels good when someone tells it how it is.

 

[gumboot]

The David Icke stuff is particularly retarded.

One thing I find disturbing, the beliefs put forward by some CTers - Reptillian aliens, anti-Semitism, Protocols of Zion style "Jew World Order" conspiracy, death rays, space ships etc... has all been seen grouped together before.

That being the Thule and Vril societies of Nazi-Germany fame.

I'm just asking questions.

-Gumboot

 

[Horatius]

The David Icke stuff is particularly retarded.

What I love is when the neo-Nazis praise him for his "analogy" for the Jews, and he has to tell them, no, he really believes in the shape-shifting lizards. When even the neo-nazis think you're whacked in the head, that's pretty whacked.

 

[hellaeon]

there was some conspiracy thing on fox recently in aus, I think on one of the discovery channels and it had a segment on Mr Icke. I was kind of dismayed to see him with a child. I think he misses being the center of attention as he was when he was a football/soccer commentator.

Ever hear how he discovered the truth? Im sure the stories changed but he claimed to start noticing 'things' (hahaha) and odd events and was sure someone was there. One day in a hotel room (on some pretty good acid I am certain) he called out to the voice he kept hearing and from there, this spirit guide told him all the 'truth'.

tiptoe through the tulips.

 

[hellaeon]

I actually think that people like Icke and the whole 9/11 CT movement probably do as much to discourage CT thinking as it does to harbour it. For me it was so ridiculous and at the time of coming across him around the time of 9/11, I enjoyed a good alien abduction or ufo sighting document. He completely discouraged me hahaha. The 9/11 deniers did also, it took all of a week before the net had dozens of theories behind 9/11. For me it was maybe not so much a great awakening (I was never too endowed in CT rubbish) but it certainly made me much more skeptical then I already was.

Hahaha ironically at the time of my most deeply lunatic, sites such as this one and other skeptical sites made me feel sick! I would think "how can they be so close minded!!!". Hahaha it makes for a good laugh when I look back. Its now the opposite - 9/11 blogger and the like make me feel ill. that whole journey from start of crazy to now was over about 7-8 years. I cant believe people can hold onto this stuff for decades. It got boring for me when I could see it was based on loose witness accounts and accepting a reality that was scientifically wrong.