Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[hcmom]

Chris, do you have any idea how much of a cliche that is? "draw a handsome salary"? LOL Jesus dude everybody else in the world, even those who think 911 was an inside job, disagrees with you. I mean EVERYBODY.

What does that tell you?

If I had to guess, I'd say that he thinks it makes him a progressive free-thinker...

 

[delphi_ote]

I'm starting to get the impression that the entire economy is based around confusing people about 9/11.

 

[Christophera]

Oh great, the old 'paid government shill' argument. The average reader? The average reader thinks, like we do, that you are full of CRAP.

Chris, do you have any idea how much of a cliche that is? "draw a handsome salary"? LOL Jesus dude everybody else in the world, even those who think 911 was an inside job, disagrees with you. I mean EVERYBODY.

What does that tell you?

Firstly, again, you didn't post even one of the DOZENS of contruction photos showing the supposed steel core columns.

Then, you are generalizing as if you know what everybody thinks.

Actually, because of you and others that are doing what you are doing, paid or not, hypnotized or not, those reading often don't know what to think.

Because of me and the fact that I actually have evidence and I have a website that does provide a comprehensive explanation for this event. They may think that there is a way to understand what happened on 9-11 and that your behavior is bizarre because you actually have no evidence.

The official story is so incredible that many people just divorce themselves from any responsibility to thinking about it at all and have just gone on with their lives.

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...163225981attachmentid=4018&stc=1&d=1163225844

 

[Christophera]

so you going to ingnore books and publications including testimony by those involved in the construction and design of the twin towers in the 80's.

Are you claiming that the "perpetrators" of 9/11 (al Queda) knew back then that they were going to attack the twin towers?

funny that's what we've been asking from you for the past 180 pages of this thread.

AGain, what you have is not raw evidence of any sort.

RAW evidence we want from you
1) the blueprints
2) the testimony of workers who were involved
3) images taken during their construction untouched and altered by anyone.

If you cannot provide these above, then you have shown yourself to be intellectually dishonest (oh what a surprise)

Blueprints are not raw evidence. The NYC mayor took them and courts will not force their return.

http://www.nyclu.org/g_archive020602.html

Testimony of anyone is not raw evidence. It is witness and it must be consistent with raw evidence.

Construction images are filtered and those showing the concrete core are gone. Those showing interior box columns that might be misintrepreted are still extant. Aerials that show elevator guide rails supports that can be misinterpreted are extant.

That you are so brazen with blatant selectivity belies reason and your unwillingness to accept the available raw evidence of demo images shows you are dissociating their obvious value.

The raw images of the demo are far more revealing than any constrcution photos when it comes to the concrete core, but one has to know something about steel and concrete construction.

This is not TV and thinking is not done for you.

 

[Christophera]

Agreed.

Look at the sequence again using the building directly in front of the collapsing tower as a reference. To me, the spire is too right of center to be alleged concrete core. Could it possibly be a remnant of the outer wall, after the floors have been sheared away, but before the wall's final collapse?

Here is a superimpositon that some denier made to show another denier that I was right about the WTC 1 spire being located at the corner of the core.

They actually did an excellent job.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4020&stc=1&d=1163229806

 

[Powa]

Then again some of them draw a handsome salary to come here and obfuscate quality evidence and try and confuse the average reader with naseless denial and misrepresentations of fraudulent evidence trying to sunstantiate towers that never existed.

Chris, since you're the only one with "raw" evidence of the concrete core, wouldn't it be cheaper and easier for the "infiltrators" to just kill you and be done with it? Why pay people to debate you?

With all this "raw" evidence you think you have, why are you not calling CNN? It's your duty to expose the biggest conspiracy in human history. Instead, you debate people on some forum for 181 pages. For months.

Why do you hate America?

 

[Architect]

Chris

Just as a matter of interest, given your complete lack of success in convincing anyone here at all of your case, what do you think you've achieved and what do you believe you stand to achieve by continuing?

 

[Mobyseven]

I'm sick of it, and I'm going to take the good advice that was given and stop posting in this thread. Hopefully Christophaka will eventually do the same.

However, I will say this: I am willing to publicly debate on this matter. I am located in Australia, which should be safer for you anyway, as it won't be as easy for the US government to make you disappear if you come here.

PM me if you are interested in the above offer.

 

[bonavada]

sorry been away from the madness for a while....

i've puzzled many times over this exact question. i have quite a few vids of the apperance of the spire during collapse and i must say it does seem, in most of them, that what we/you suspect seems very possible. in particular there is long-distance footage (shot by CNN i think) which graphically illustrates this. i'll hunt it down and you-tube it here. tomorrow that'll be though.....

BV

as promised, here's a short sequence of images taken from some well-aired CNN footage.
the first is from which i took an overlay and applied it to the last.
the second image shows the spire without the overlay, albeit not very clearly. i think the overlay is accurately placed. well as near as dammit.

looking at it it's quite inconclusive as to the origin of the spire. although if pushed, i would tend to agree it is actually the core. so our chris could be right about this being the actual core we see. is this a first?

BV

 

[Mancman]

It is the core.

 

[Architect]

Looks like the core to me, I have to admit, and it wouldn't be a surprise that at least some stayed up for a few seconds. But there's a big difference between teetering and instability.

Chris, for example, clearly suffers from instability....

 

[maccy]

On the off-chance, that anybody still participating in this thread is under the impression that they are arguing with a fundamentally rational person who is just being stubborn and needs more evidence to convince him that he is wrong, I suggest you check out some of Christophera's other writings:

Mainly the pages in this folder:

http://www.truthasaur.com/my_22/

But if that's not sufficent:

Here's an early post questioning his sanity:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...86#post1665086

Here's a thread he started about mas brainwashing via hypnosis:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63738

also, christophera's webpages in general:

http://algoxy.com/law/nojustice2/psychosite.html

http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/nojustice/

http://algoxy.com/

http://truthasaur.com/

 

[Mancman]

On the off-chance, that anybody still participating in this thread is under the impression that they are arguing with a fundamentally rational person who is just being stubborn and needs more evidence to convince him that he is wrong, I suggest you check out some of Christophera's other writings:

Mainly the pages in this folder:

http://www.truthasaur.com/my_22/

Good lord.

"The secret societies know, unconsciously, that I have observed winter solstice sunrises and are compelled by the Native American spiritual interests to confirm our temporal alignment by providing me with tangible examples of their unconscious awareness.

More classic examples from my personal life indicating that the secret societies have been influenced to provide me with paper having the numbers 21, 22 & 23 on them."

I never realised he was such a big fan of suing people.

 

[Bell]

Good lord.

"The secret societies know, unconsciously, that I have observed winter solstice sunrises and are compelled by the Native American spiritual interests to confirm our temporal alignment by providing me with tangible examples of their unconscious awareness.

More classic examples from my personal life indicating that the secret societies have been influenced to provide me with paper having the numbers 21, 22 & 23 on them."

I never realised he was such a big fan of suing people.

And to think Christopher Alfred Brown is 22 letters long!

 

[jsfisher]

Agreed.

Look at the sequence again using the building directly in front of the collapsing tower as a reference. To me, the spire is too right of center to be alleged concrete core. Could it possibly be a remnant of the outer wall, after the floors have been sheared away, but before the wall's final collapse?

Here is a superimpositon that some denier made to show another denier that I was right about the WTC 1 spire being located at the corner of the core.

They actually did an excellent job.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4020&stc=1&d=1163229806

I feel honored.

My post, the one you have now cited twice, was in reference to the first tower collapse. You have even specifically acknowledged that fact. Yet, you persist in misrepresenting it as referring to the second.

Excellent technique!! Keep up the good work, and under no circumstances let the facts dissuade your from the truth.

 

[skeptifem]

Clearly, you wouldn't know evidence of something you do not want to know.

The concrete core is well established but folks don't want to know of it because then it would mean they should unify and purify their government of the infiltrators that killed 3,000 on 9-11.

People do not want to do that and have become so ignorant of their needs that they do not know they need to do that in order to preserve the comfort and security they really cherish (not to mention their rights and freedoms they take for granted) they must get over the false divisions media has created over the last few generations.

Then again some of them draw a handsome salary to come here and obfuscate quality evidence and try and confuse the average reader with naseless denial and misrepresentations of fraudulent evidence trying to sunstantiate towers that never existed.

lol. why do people post in this thread anymore? If you disagree with this guy you are either get paid to post propaganda or you're a mindless patriotic sheep.

I dont think anyone would need to pay the government to refute you. from the beginning you needed people to help you explain what you were actually asserting, even after you had build a whole website about it. That pretty much shows how much thought goes into your assertions.

 

[Christophera]

Chris, since you're the only one with "raw" evidence of the concrete core, wouldn't it be cheaper and easier for the "infiltrators" to just kill you and be done with it? Why pay people to debate you?

With all this "raw" evidence you think you have, why are you not calling CNN? It's your duty to expose the biggest conspiracy in human history. Instead, you debate people on some forum for 181 pages. For months.

Why do you hate America?

Do you realize how much credibility assasination would bring? You are naive.

Do you really think mass media is here to support the sacred principles of America? You are naive.

Do you think that even the average American has the courage to use their ability to reason with logic, make a commitment and expose a secret of that magnitude. You are naive.

Why do support the secret infiltration of our government and usurpation of our Constitution, the loss of our rights and freedoms?

 

[Christophera]

lol. why do people post in this thread anymore? If you disagree with this guy you are either get paid to post propaganda or you're a mindless patriotic sheep.

I dont think anyone would need to pay the government to refute you. from the beginning you needed people to help you explain what you were actually asserting, even after you had build a whole website about it. That pretty much shows how much thought goes into your assertions.

Your deep confusion is evident in your post.

 

[Christophera]

Good lord.

"The secret societies know, unconsciously, that I have observed winter solstice sunrises and are compelled by the Native American spiritual interests to confirm our temporal alignment by providing me with tangible examples of their unconscious awareness.

More classic examples from my personal life indicating that the secret societies have been influenced to provide me with paper having the numbers 21, 22 & 23 on them."

I never realised he was such a big fan of suing people.

You, obviously have no idea of how important reason and law are. They are worth testing, even here.

 

[Powa]

Do you realize how much credibility assasination would bring? You are naive.

Do you think "they" couldn't make you disappear? You are naive.

Do you really think mass media is [sic] here to support the sacred principles of America? You are naive.

Actually I don't. Mass media (especially in America) support whatever brings them the best ratings.

Do you think that even the average American has the courage to use their ability to reason with logic, make a commitment and expose a secret of that magnitude. You are naive.

Are you accusing all average Americans to be cowards? Oh dear.

ETA: What about us non-Americans? Do you realize there are probably more non-Americans than Americans on this forum? Why have you not succeeded in persuading even one of us non-Americans of your "concrete" core? Are we also afraid of the infiltration of YOUR government?

Why do support the secret infiltration of our government and usurpation of our Constitution, the loss of our rights and freedoms?

I don't. Where have I said that? BTW, what rights have you lost since 911?