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Frank Greening Refuted Easily

TruthSeeker1234 said:
Models attempt to describe reality. They must be simpler than reality, but to be valid must capture some essential aspect of reality. Greening's model requires the mass to accumulate as the "collapse" proceeds. All of the evidence, I repeat, all of it indicates that this is not the case. We observe mass quantities of very dense stuff outside the footprint. When it's over, there is no pile. There is a smoldering crater.

Why don't you guys get to the part where you explain how all of the accumulating mass which stays inside the footprint, suddenly turns into a smoldering crater, as clearly shown in this picture?
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What are you talking about?

Are you are incapable of doing the math to critique Greening, or Ross, or anyone?

You first post proved you wrong on visual evidence.

So when are you going to finish a physics course?
 
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Horatius said:
When will you admit that the pile of debris in your Mostest Absolutely Favouritist Picture is actually really fracking huge?

Do you realize how big those pieces have to be to be seen on that scale? You're always going on about how big that black building in the foreground is. Those pieces are on almost the same scale as that building!

Get you head out of you a$$ for once in you life, and actually look at it, will you?
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The Banker's Trust building is in the foreground. Each twin tower is about 3 1/2 times the size. So 7 times the BT building "falls down", and we get a crater? Look at the dark round crater where WTC1 stood. See it?

There are lots of pictures of GZ. I've done the hi-res hunt. No floor assemblies. No piles. Buildings gone.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Why don't you guys get to the part where you explain how all of the accumulating mass which stays inside the footprint, suddenly turns into a smoldering crater, as clearly shown in this picture?
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As the mass is falling it mainly stays within its own footprint. Lightwieght dust from wallboard and similar matrials is ejected during the fall - but this is a small proportion of the total mass.

The ground onto which the tower falls is effectively several stories below the surrounding ground level as there basement levels to the towers.

Once the debris has filled up the basement to the level of the surrounding ground, the ruble pile will spread out as each successive story hits it.

If you drop an egg, it doesn't spread out as its falling, but it does when it hits the ground.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
When it's over, there is no pile. There is a smoldering crater.
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Oh Jeebus H. Flying Ramen Pink Unicorn!!!! That's not a crater!!!!!

That's a Pile, you ignorant putz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
truthydude I'm beginning to wonder if you even understand Greening's paper and what it means
 
beam weapon proof, join the nuts in the state hospital where you can learn physics from Dr Jones, and Judy Wood
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Why don't you guys get to the part where you explain how all of the accumulating mass which stays inside the footprint, suddenly turns into a smoldering crater, as clearly shown in this picture?
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Take a look at your "crater" from a side angle. You clearly don't know what a crater is.
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maccy said:
As the mass is falling it mainly stays within its own footprint. Lightwieght dust from wallboard and similar matrials is ejected during the fall - but this is a small proportion of the total mass.

The ground onto which the tower falls is effectively several stories below the surrounding ground level as there basement levels to the towers.
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We have many pictures of huge amounts of material outside the footprint. We have inches of dust over square miles, enough to account for almost the entire towers.

Where is your evidence of this accumulating mass in the basements? Do you imagine a 110 story sandwich all compressed into the basements? Can you show any pictures, or any corroboration of this?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
We have many pictures of huge amounts of material outside the footprint. We have inches of dust over square miles, enough to account for almost the entire towers.

Where is your evidence of this accumulating mass in the basements? Do you imagine a 110 story sandwich all compressed into the basements? Can you show any pictures, or any corroboration of this?
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there are so many post of photos showing you the pile you must be blind and dumb

show us your math
 
Okay, I'm officially calling shenanigans on TS!@#$. No one could be this completely oblivious to reality, it's got to be a put on.

There's no way anyone with a working brain could possibly believe these photos show what he says they do.




At least, that's what I'll be telling myself so I can get to sleep tonight.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Pretty much.
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You are beyond salvage pal, seriously, go get help.

You have absolutely no understanding whatsoever of the mechanics, the physics or the ramifications of your ridiculous beliefs.

Please BS, I say this in all seriousness, lay off whatever you are on, take a few basic science lessons and lighten up.

Please, for your own sake.
 
WildCat said:
Take a look at your "crater" from a side angle. You clearly don't know what a crater is.
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that is not a pile it is a big hole, like the hole in TS math and arguement

you mean this 5 story pile of WTC tower? Where they are pulling out some guys from the 4th floor stairwell
 
WildCat said:
[qimg]http://dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployments/NYC-WTC2001/images/LER050.jpg[/qimg]

Note the man in the pic for scale. No pile huh?
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Now that's good. It actually took me a minute to find the guy in this photo. BIG pile!
 
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