9/11 dialogue recommendation

[Abbyas]

BTW: Lowrider PD is mocking Abby again...

No, no. I think it's important to move the debate from plane parts at the Pentagon to whether or not I am "doable".

I shall host my own version of the McLaughlin Group:

"Issue number one! Would you do Abby Scott? Pat Buchanan!"

"Well, you're a little young and broke for my taste, but I could..."

"WRONG! I'm Venus incarnate! Next issue!"

 

[T.A.M.]

He (PD) has the credentials of a scholar, but the frontal lobe of a caveman...go figure. Must have been something in his local water supply.

TAM

 

[Bell]

No, no. I think it's important to move the debate from plane parts at the Pentagon to whether or not I am "doable".

Well, are you?

 

[DanKirby]

He (PD) has the credentials of a scholar, but the frontal lobe of a caveman...go figure. Must have been something in his local water supply.

TAM

I know some cavemen who would be very offended by that statement.

 

[Housefly]

The problem the Loose Change board has is that they're so damn smug that they "know the truth". One of the most despicable crimes ever committed! Them against the world! The US government no doubt wants them dead as we speak!

Their response?

"Get lost troll. Look, this fireman said the words blow up, where is your God now? I don't have to back up my claims but you have to back up yours. I did not address your points but rather reiterated my own, therefore I WIN THE ARGUMENT!"

I can understand flippancy on this forum, because most of you are educated enough to find the CTs ridiculous, but over there? They believe the 9/11 conspiracy is real. Why don't they take it seriously?

This is a problem with trying to establish a dialogue; both "sides" think completely differently. For one thing, the CTs believe that it's a matter of "sides".

 

[uk_dave]

They believe the 9/11 conspiracy is real. Why don't they take it seriously?

Totally agree.

The CT'ers are either delusional paranoids a la alex jones, who believe in the whole secret world government stuff (with a bit of good old anti-atheist end of days christian thinking thrown in for good measure) or they're just bored kids who want an exciting argument and get a kick out of thinking that they have knowledge which is suppressed within the population at large. They see themselves as rebels and probably love to play up the "I'm being watched by the government because I post on LC forum" paranoia when talking with 'noobs'.

But ultimately, do any of these people, apart from the seriously mentally ill, actually propose to do anything about this crime they so fervently believe has been committed by the USG beyond posting on an internet forum? Or does their fervent belief stop as soon as the computer is switched off and they go to work the next day and pay their bills and taxes and obey the speed limit and support their favourite football team, until they can get back home and go back into the internet forum and become fearless seekers of the truth once more?

I do actually wonder if, should LCFC actually get released in some major way and become popular (somehow) then will some of the faithful start to drift away because it's become too mainstream and no longer has that sense of danger and exclusivity?

 

[Bubbers]

The problem the Loose Change board has is that they're so damn smug that they "know the truth". One of the most despicable crimes ever committed! Them against the world! The US government no doubt wants them dead as we speak!

Their response?

"Get lost troll. Look, this fireman said the words blow up, where is your God now? I don't have to back up my claims but you have to back up yours. I did not address your points but rather reiterated my own, therefore I WIN THE ARGUMENT!"

I can understand flippancy on this forum, because most of you are educated enough to find the CTs ridiculous, but over there? They believe the 9/11 conspiracy is real. Why don't they take it seriously?

This is a problem with trying to establish a dialogue; both "sides" think completely differently. For one thing, the CTs believe that it's a matter of "sides".

Well said. In their eyes, they are right. They are always right. Alex Jones and Dylan Avery are experts of everything. We are all narrow-minded government shills,robots, and sheeple.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Mmmm, OK. I'm reregistering there. Since I always take the high road, I suppose they're good for debate, now.

Benefit of doubt, and all that.......

Hans

 

[Oliver]

I know some cavemen who would be very offended by that statement.

Well, i hope you´re not talking about these "cavemen":

Al-Zawahiri studied behavior, psychology and pharmacology as part of his medical degree at Cairo University.

bin Laden graduated from the university in Jeddah.

Marwan al-Shehhi: It took two years for him to learn enough German before he enrolled in a university with a military scholarship.

Atta graduated with a degree in architecture from Cairo University

Said Bahaji: He enrolled in an electrical engineering program at a technical university in 1996

Ziad Jarrah:In 1997, Jarrah left Greifswald and instead began studying aerospace engineering at the University of Applied Sciences in Hamburg.

and so on...

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Well, i hope you´re not talking about these "cavemen":

I think Dan was referring to the recent Geico auto insurance commercials.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1319381343578952974&q=geico
http://www.funnyclipcentral.com/content/geicocaveman3.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZrjr4A-ASQ

 

[Oliver]

I think Dan was referring to the recent Geico auto insurance commercials.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1319381343578952974&q=geico
http://www.funnyclipcentral.com/content/geicocaveman3.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZrjr4A-ASQ

Muhawawawaw... PD is a commercial-star?

 

[Oliver]

@Russel:

While i saw that you´re online: You could dampen PDoherty´s
behavior over there a littlebit concerning his personal attacks.
If these type of guys is good for the movement then i have to
congratulate you for digging the movements own grave.

- Oliver

 

[Loss Leader]

No, no. I think it's important to move the debate from plane parts at the Pentagon to whether or not I am "doable".

Sorry to tell you, Abby, but this guy votes no. He writes:

Thirdly it shows plain jane Abby Scott trying in vain to debunk Jason Bermas despite her obviously fancying him. There was a sexual tension there, well she felt horny and he felt tense...I would feel tense if I thought she wanted a piece of me

If you can provide a link to anyone on the Loose Change forum who says otherwise, I will be happy to review it. Or you can email me some candid pictures ....

 

[Horatius]

No, no. I think it's important to move the debate from plane parts at the Pentagon to whether or not I am "doable".

Of course, the true issue is, "Would we be allowed to do you?" I'm sure we all await the results with bated breath...

 

[Oliver]

*BUMP* for the fight over there...

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[Oliver]

*bump* So what?

 

[Calcas]

Come on Mayr,

Don't leave now...

 

[Orphia Nay]

Another quote from one of your threads:

I believe the Northwoods document was released due to a Freedom of Information Act request. Does anyone know for sure? They may not have wanted to release it, but they had to.

So, they believe that the Big Bad NWO Conspiracy Guys have no problem rigging buildings to explode, killing thousands, but they balk at ignoring a FOIA request? I can't fathom a mindset that can contain both thoughts simultaneously.

Well, it seems, according to Wikipedia confused the government passed the act that created the review board that recommended its declassification:

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997 by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board [1], a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination. [2] [3] A total of about 1500 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.

"Appendix to Enclosure A" and "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on November 6, 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN's 1998 Cold War television documentary series[4]—specifically, as a documentation supplement to "Episode 10: Cuba," which aired on November 29, 1998. [5] "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.

The Northwoods document was published online in a more complete form (i.e., including cover memoranda) by the National Security Archive on April 30, 2001. [6]

The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 created the Assassination Records Review Board as an independent agency to re-examine for release the assassination-related records that federal agencies still regarded as too sensitive to open to the public.

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/review-board/

But, yes, yet another factor ignored by CTists. Why (allow the) release (of) 'teh sooper sekrit plans' and then 'cover-up teh conspiracy'?

 

[Oliver]

Come on Mayr,

Don't leave now...

Leave what exactly?

 

[Horatius]

Well, it seems, according to Wikipedia confused the government passed the act that created the review board that recommended its declassification:




http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/review-board/

But, yes, yet another factor ignored by CTists. Why (allow the) release (of) 'teh sooper sekrit plans' and then 'cover-up teh conspiracy'?

The actual mechanism for the release doesn't really matter, as the guy I quoted believed it was a FOIA request. It's the inconsistency in his thoughts that I wondered about. Of course, the same problem would arise even if he knew the details you quoted.