Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Christophera]

Why? Cause it isn't raw?

Because it is not consistent with the raw evidence.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

 

[Powa]

I prefer to let you educate yourself on my time spent once rather than twice.

Evasion noted.

In the beloved picture of Americans, the one that helps us to preserve our democracy, rights and freedoms, the floors have fallen away and the secondary initiation system of the core takes a few seconds to begin intiations. This was intentional to get the steel out of the way for the heavy detonations of the lower core that are much larger to deal with the thicker core walls which are seen in thelower concrete core explosions

And that's exactly what I wanted you to point out in my linked video. Because for the life of me I can't see the "detonation" of the core. Or the core standing prior to the "detonation".

I am not the only one that sees them. I'm one of the few that speaks of them.

But if it was all so obvious there would be MILLIONS od people speaking, nay, shouting about it. Me including, believe me.

Oh snap, that's right, we were ALL hypnotised. Never mind.

 

[Jennie C.]

"Lies" about WMD

I am no denier. There was a cover up at least concerning incompetence. And there was the WMD lie.

What about the New York Times article yesterday from which I have snipped:

Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war.

and

The documents, roughly a dozen in number, contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs.

The Times can't have it both ways. Either there was no nuclear program in Iraq or the government was remiss in releasing documents that contained information about it.

 

[mortimer]

Chris,

OK, you've presented all the evidence you have of the South tower's alleged concrete core. Now, show me the North tower's concrete core, standing at elevation, from the demo images. Since that is the only evidence you will accept from us regarding the core columns, you should of course hold yourself to the same standards.

So, where are images of the North tower's concrete core, standing at elevation, from the demo images?

 

[Christophera]

Evasion noted.

I provided an answer and you failed to respond. Typical for a denier to accuse a truth seeker of what the denier is guilty of.

Since you have evaded examining the link which had your answer,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1232703

I will copy it for you.


Delays and Paths

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The floor delays would be on one circuit and the core on another. The ports accessing the rebar in the core walls were on the inside of the core, protected from the blasts of the floors. Floor circuit delays would be set to count at 75 milliseconds with a possible decreasing delay downward for initiations of consecutive floors to the bottom. Concrete core delay paths would set at 300 milliseconds for each 40 foot concrete pour which had at least one inspection port on each 3" vertical rebar to remove the coating and slow the removal of bearing and lateral support, keeping the floors in position while they detonate.

And that's exactly what I wanted you to point out in my linked video. Because for the life of me I can't see the "detonation" of the core. Or the core standing prior to the "detonation".


But if it was all so obvious there would be MILLIONS od people speaking, nay, shouting about it. Me including, believe me.

Oh snap, that's right, we were ALL hypnotised. Never mind.

Over ten times a second a floor detonates. Three times a second the core sections follow the floor detonations. You don't really think that within that or the dust/particulate you will see the detonations or the core do you?

There is only one opportunity to see the core without any steel around it and that is when the upper core detonation system switches to the lower core system. There is however a video that shows the concrete core with the interior box columns around it, partially. WTC 2 is seen left of WTC 1.

Other than that WTC 1 is shrouded in dust through that phase. WTC 2 provides the only glimpse of the concrete core.

ORIGINAL core IMAGE​

 

[Christophera]

Chris,

OK, you've presented all the evidence you have of the South tower's alleged concrete core. Now, show me the North tower's concrete core, standing at elevation, from the demo images. Since that is the only evidence you will accept from us regarding the core columns, you should of course hold yourself to the same standards.

So, where are images of the North tower's concrete core, standing at elevation, from the demo images?

If you check the post above, in reply to powa you will find your answer.

 

[delphi_ote]

There is only one opportunity to see the core without any steel around it and that is when the upper core detonation system switches to the lower core system. There is however a video that shows the concrete core with the interior box columns around it, partially. WTC 2 is seen left of WTC 1.

If the building did not have a concrete core, what kind of evidence would convince you?

 

[Garb]

Because it is not consistent with the raw evidence.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

Care to point out where it isn't consitent instead of giving me a link filled with a bunch of info that I have to sort through to find out the single idea you are trying to get me to belive?

 

[Belz...]

from wikipedia:

Interesting. I would've thought MORE people would've been trapped in WTC2 than WTC1 because of the impact point, though I suspect some had already evacuated.

 

[Belz...]

Under the conditions present where the WTC 2 core is, drywall would no even exist. It would be stripped away immediately.

Only under your demolitions theory. Clearly, the drywall is STILL there in clearer pictures, so there was no detonation. Or do you retract your statement ?

Clearly, if I have enough raw evidence of images to make a site just about the concrete core,

People can make web sites out of non-existent ideas, too. So it doesn't prove a thing.

There is no site using raw evidence evidence that supports my position to substantiate the steel core columns because there is no raw evidence evidence that supports my position to construct it from.

There, fixed that.

 

[Oliver]

What about the New York Times article yesterday from which I have snipped:



and



The Times can't have it both ways. Either there was no nuclear program in Iraq or the government was remiss in releasing documents that contained information about it.

[sarcasm]
Ooops. They don´t have to fake evidence anymore
for the public ... now they came along with documents.

Time to go to war, eh?
[/sarcasm]




ETA:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=650000+iraqis&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=

 

[Belz...]

That is the particulate, sand and gravel, that did not travel outwards from the core blasts before the WTC concrete core

Excellent. So you admit that dust and smoke CAN and DOES gather near the center of the collapse. Do you ALSO agree that said dust is gray ?

If so, then you have just disproved your own assertion that NOTHING but concrete can explain that picture. Congratulations.

 

[Belz...]

Because it is not consistent with the raw evidence.

Who are you to determine what's "raw" or not ? Shouldn't you examine ALL the evidence ? You're basically saying that you have a preference for one type of evidence, namely the one that agrees with you, over the other.

So you admit to beign biased ? Evidence can't be wrong, can it ?

In the beloved picture of Americans, the one that helps us to preserve our democracy, rights and freedoms, the floors have fallen away and the secondary initiation system of the core takes a few seconds to begin intiations. This was intentional to get the steel out of the way for the heavy detonations of the lower core that are much larger to deal with the thicker core walls which are seen in thelower concrete core explosions

Where do you get this information ? How do you know that this was "intentional" or needed or planned this way ? What information do you have to know what happened inside the towers when they "blew" ?

 

[Oliver]

If the building did not have a concrete core, what kind of evidence would convince you?

I guess something like this:


[sarcasm]

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[mortimer]

If you check the post above, in reply to powa you will find your answer.

Let me see if I have this straight, Chris. You claim that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. You claim that both towers had a concrete core. South tower had a section of the concrete core that survived for a time because the detonations in that section didn't go off til later. The North tower was completely pulverized by C4-coated rebar, and thus you would never see a section of the core standing in the demo images.

You have claimed that the only evidence of a steel core you would accept is a view of the steel core intact at elevation in a demo image. Now, Chris, if the towers were indeed destroyed by controlled demolition, why would you expect to see steel standing at elevation during the demo? The columns would have been destroyed by cutting charges and would have fallen along with the rest of the building, so there's no way you'd be able to see steel core columns standing in the North tower during the demo.

So, Chris, will you admit that, using your own standard of a core section standing at elevation during the demo as evidence of the core composition, you have NO evidence that the North tower had a concrete core? If you won't admit that, then please provide RAW evidence of the concrete core in the demo images of the North tower.

 

[Garb]

[sarcasm]
Ooops. They don´t have to fake evidence anymore
for the public ... now they came along with documents.

Time to go to war, eh?
[/sarcasm]




ETA:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=650000+iraqis&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=

Im confused here. Are you saying that if there were WMDs and that the war was "just" that there would be no casulties at all? Cause to me it seems like you are basing this "go to war or not" deal on casulties.

 

[Oliver]

Im confused here. Are you saying that if there were WMDs and that the war was "just" that there would be no casulties at all? Cause to me it seems like you are basing this "go to war or not" deal on casulties.

No. I´m saying: No WMD´s = No war. = no casulties.
"If" doesn´t count here.

During the embargo within the nineties x00.000 iraqis died.
I guess they have a good reason to hate the western world.
The faked evidence was another good example to believe that
the western gov´s are a bunch of A*holes. And i agree.

Pretty good job to avoid terror threads and to make iraqis
happy with democracy.

 

[Garb]

No. I´m saying: No WMD´s = No war. = no casulties.
"If" doesn´t count here.

During the embargo within the nineties x00.000 iraqis died.
I guess they have a good reason to hate the western world.
The faked evidence was another good example to believe that
the western gov´s are a bunch of A*holes. And i agree.

Pretty good job to avoid terror threads and to make iraqis
happy with democracy.

In all honesty, does it even matter now?

Either way, I saw a dictator that murdered his own people, intimidated to keep himself in power, and was looking to get WMDs and use them on other countries.

 

[Christophera]

If the building did not have a concrete core, what kind of evidence would convince you?

This image shows there were no steel core columns. I know for a fact, basically as a witness via a 2 hour documentary that there was a rectangular cast concrete tubular core. Nothing will convince me otherwise.

If you were to competently attempt to convince somebody who was adamant about reason, first you would have to explain why no steel columns show here. Account for the size pieces found at GZ.

ORIGINAL core IMAGE​

Realize that if they were cut with explosives that it changes the entire character of the visual and auditory event, and, how could what is seen in the image above exist if explosives had already cut the columns making them fall. Those explosons would have removed the core we see.

 

[Christophera]

In all honesty, does it even matter now?

Either way, I saw a dictator that murdered his own people, intimidated to keep himself in power, and was looking to get WMDs and use them on other countries.

Did you notice how US support made him into what he became?