I watched a special recently on the rise of mexican gangs in California over the last several years. I can't remember what channel it was on. If anyone can find info and link it, my internet load time is killing me this morning. Like many of the bottom-income groups, once they fill all the jobs (which I am fine with them taking because I won't), many turn to crime. There is a spot in Chicago I used to pass where illegals could be picked up daily for jobs. The lot was usually full half the day. Employers would pick them up by the truckload till they had enough people and the rest would walk off in to the neighborhoods once they knew there was no more work. These pop up around the city and change areas when the police start cracking down.
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I KNOW you arent talking about Arizona
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I'm guessing you know this in the same way that you know that any student who doesn't speak English is a criminal.
Anyway, click here and select "Arizona, seasonally adjusted."
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Who says any student that doesnt speak english is a criminal?
This unemployment chart is a little interesting. How do they characterize "employed"? If they are counting jobs capped at 39 hours per week so that the employee has no health care, then this could be way more bleak than it suggests.
There is no way this state is doing as well, economically than 1996. People had hope then.
Show me some places that employ high school kids and I might believe you
Show me some construction firms that hire citizens
Show me a restaraunt, even 100 dollar a plate ones that hire citizens
Oh you mean the white collar fatcats who hire illegals are doing good? Well its all OK then
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In fact, the mandate is to provide adequate secondary English-language education, your conflation of "student" and "criminal" notwithstanding.
The unemployment rate measures unemployed people who have applied for a job in the previous four weeks and are currently available for work.
Median income in 2005 dollars
Arizona 1996-1997: 39,451
Arizona 2004-2005: 45,279
United States 1996-1997: 44,425
United States 2004-2005: 46,071
From the U.S. Census Bureau
I think it's possible that your experience doesn't conform to reality.
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Are you somehow pretending the situation and deficit that won us our million dollar fine is NOT in fact due to having to pay for illegals with no tax base?
Thats easy enough then, they gave up years ago and are working under the table for scraps...forget the last four weeks
So a few fatcats at the top, hiring illegals are making so much money that it skews the curve? I can believe it, there are a LOT of houses in paradise valley valued in the millions
I think its far more likely that your numbers, while real, do not tell much at all about the current situation. You should come down here and take a look for yourself.
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No, I'm pointing out your failure to adequately discriminate between two overlapping demographics.
I don't know why your school system has a deficit. If this is truly a problem of some people getting rich off of immigration, I suggest you vote for candidates willing to hold them to account for the costs of educating new immigrants.
That's a possibility, although it strikes me as unlikely given the large increase in median income. If you intend to provide evidence for your assertion, I suggest you examine the poverty rate among non-immigrants over the time period in question.
Forgive me for asking, but do you understand what the median income measures? A fat cat in a McMansion doesn't skew the curve anymore than a fit cat making $50,000/year.
I don't doubt that you truly believe things have got worse in the last ten years, but I'm not responding to that. I'm instead pointing out that you're wrong on several important facts.
I doubt I'll make it to Arizona anytime soon, sadly.
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Sorry, I have to doubt your doubts about my belief
10 years ago, lots of businesses were moving into Arizona. Hype abounded about our future. Airline companies and businesses painted their planes and buildings after the local sports teams.
High school kids had jobs
Lots of parks and improvements were being made, many more were being planned.
Today, schools have lost their sports programs
Schools have lost their music programs
We have almost ZERO working musicians now. They cant get jobs in their traditional industries of construction and food service.
We have TONS of houses for sale at extremely high values, yet Arizona families are moving into apartment complexes, unable to afford houses
Please show me a means or definition for median income that a large number of investors cant skew