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Now guys give Jessica a break, I mean how can you be angry at a pwetty whittle bunny like her.

Your just so cute Jessica.

:D

Thanks hun. Would you actually like to have sex with me or are the compliments for the good of your health?
 
lol...no I think you are just cute, in a soft cuddle animal way. You go and have sex with the other rabbits, like you are suppose to though...go ahead.

TAM
 
Thanks hun. Would you actually like to have sex with me or are the compliments for the good of your health?
A professional is waiting for your in-depth analysis jessica... don't let the truth movement down by witholding your evidence now! 3,000 innocent lives lost are awaiting justice only you can get for them.
 
Mince said:
NIST report will not be admitted as evidence but,

That's not true.

The government could certainly introduce the NIST reports into evidence in criminal cases against alleged perpetrators, etc.
 
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Thanks hun. Would you actually like to have sex with me or are the compliments for the good of your health?

Keep ignoring us:
OK-
I analyze structures for a living.
I can tell you where they will most likely fail.and why
I can tell you what to do to avoid failure at that location.
I can tell you what the load paths look like, and how they should look
I can tell you what loads can be expected, and the response of the structure to those loads, both static and dynamic.
I know and understand the physics behind the reality and the mathematical model.
These facts of expertise are recognized by the NSPE and the State of Colorado.
So, give it your best shot. Let's hear it.
 
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Mince said:
NIST report will not be admitted as evidence but,

That's not true.

The government could certainly introduce the NIST reports into evidence in criminal cases against alleged perpetrators, etc.


Technically, Russell is correct.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs.htm


[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Can NIST’s findings be used in court?[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]As part of the act, no part of any report resulting from investigations can be admitted as evidence or used in any suit or action for damages. Addition-ally, NIST employees are not permitted to serve as expert witnesses. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[/FONT][/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]However, any of the experts, witness and scientific theory used to construct the report are admissible. The reason for this is that they wanted to do a completely objective analysis without the coercion of litigation dangling above their heads. [/FONT][/SIZE]
 
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I believe they are referring to a civil case, where damages are sought, not a criminal case.

TAM
 
I believe they are referring to a civil case, where damages are sought, not a criminal case.

TAM

Oh, ok. I got you. I was talking about tortious actions. Sorry LashL.


When I said;

NIST report will not be admitted as evidence but,


Quote:
Video of squibs similar to CD
will be?
I was expressing my incredulity that Russell thinks the Report will not be admitted but his speculative videos would be. I was not saying the report could not be admitted criminally.
 
I have no idea actually, but I was merely reading your quote from NIST, and realized that the wording, oh so important in disclaimers, speaks of damages, and says nothing of criminal proceedings. For all I know, maybe they would not be admissible criminally either, but they dont seem to state it there.

TAM:)
 
United 93 gross - $31.4 million domestically, and $73.5 million worldwide (10% of the first 3 days donated).

World Trade Center - Worldwide Gross $132,236,496


The important thing to note about these totals is that WTC lost money, and United 93 made very little money. Not exactly inspiring distributors or studios to fund anything else.
 
Yes and Oliver Stone donated a very large amount of money to the 9/11 victims, yet all we heard from CT land was...

"Why Olie, why? You were one of us...how could you betray us?"

TAM
 
Gravy,

Imagine that I am the District Attorney and prove to me explosives were not used.

I have:

1) 40 some firefighter witnesses.

2) Video of squibs similar to CD.

3) 3 steel frame buildings that collapsed straight down all on the same day in the same place for the first time in history. At least one not hit by a plane.

4) Civilian eyewitnesses who reported explosions.

5) A non explanation of WTC 7 from FEMA.

P.S. Don't bring your NIST reports because they are not admissible as evidence in a court. They also failed to test for explosives even if they were.

Russell


Here's a better idea, Russell.

Take your evidence to a D.A. instead of just posting vague non-evidence ad infinitum on internet forums.

If you cannot or will not do so, here's an alternative proposition. I will take it to a D.A. for you.

Here's all you have to do. Present your evidence to me in good faith (privately, if you wish) and I will, in good faith, assess it, interview all of those you identify as potential witnesses and present all of the evidence and verbatim transcripts of all of the interviews in their entirety to the D.A. on your behalf if you are unable or unwilling to do so yourself.

To facilitate this, and following your numbering scheme above, all you have to do is:

1) Provide me with the statements or willsays or contact information of your 40 witnesses and I will interview each and every one of them and pass all of the details on to the D.A.

2) Provide the video, and a willsay or contact information of the expert witness who will be back up the assertion that the video shows "squibs similar to CD" and I'll interview the expert you suggest, and pass all of the details on to the D.A.

3) Well, aside from the obvious fact that they didn't collapse "straight down", I will pass on the videos or other evidence that you submit and will pass on the information that the unprecedented events of September 11, 2001 were indeed unprecedented. Of course, the D.A. will also consider all of the unprecedented events of that day and not only the ones that you think point to a conspiracy, but I will still gladly pass this all on.

4) Provide me with the statements or contact information of the civilians you refer to and I will interview each and every one of them and pass the information on to the D.A.

5) I will provide the D.A. with the early FEMA report and the later NIST report and the numerous statements of others at the scene, in the interests of full disclosure. Please pass along the names and contact information of anyone else whose evidence you wish to add to this point and I will interview each and every one of them personally, and pass that along too.

6) *this was your P.S., not numbered, but I numbered it for consistency*. You're wrong about this. The NIST reports are most assuredly admissible as evidence in a criminal trial. So don't fret over that. I'll pass those on the D.A. too.

See? Very, very little work on your part. A huge amount of work on my part. But I'm willing to put your evidence to the test. Are you?
 
Mince said:
Technically, Russell is correct.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs.htm

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]However, any of the experts, witness and scientific theory used to construct the report are admissible. The reason for this is that they wanted to do a completely objective analysis without the coercion of litigation dangling above their heads. [/FONT][/SIZE]

No, he isn't. It only refers to civil actions, not criminal cases. He thinks it means that nothing in the reports can be admitted as evidence of any kind in any court for any reason. He's wrong about that. The language was put in place to shield the authors from civil liability - for good reason - and it's used all the time. But that's not the same as saying it cannot be used as "evidence" ever, in any situation, and that's what Russell wants people to believe.

Edit to add: Mince, sorry, I didn't see your subsequent response until after I'd posted this. But yes, you're right that the language is to provide cover for civil liability to the authors, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Lets present this to a D.A.

Case: I believe we have been visited by aliens. (i really dont but lets pretend)

Proof:
- I have thousands of eye witness accounts, going back 50 or more years.
- I have numerous videos of lights that move in the night sky differently than any identifiable aircraft.
- I have pictures created by ancient civilizations that depict "flying ships".
- I have the fact that there has been a recent acceleration in computer and flying technology.
- I have a recent poll which says that 46% of americans believe in aliens.
- I have a number of "whistleblowers" who claim that alien technology is housed in area 51...

What do you think the D.A. will say?

TAM
 
Lets present this to a D.A.

Case: I believe we have been visited by aliens. (i really dont but lets pretend)

Proof:
- I have thousands of eye witness accounts, going back 50 or more years.
- I have numerous videos of lights that move in the night sky differently than any identifiable aircraft.
- I have pictures created by ancient civilizations that depict "flying ships".
- I have the fact that there has been a recent acceleration in computer and flying technology.
- I have a recent poll which says that 46% of americans believe in aliens.
- I have a number of "whistleblowers" who claim that alien technology is housed in area 51...

What do you think the D.A. will say?

TAM

If a D.A., I would ask;

Yeah, but where are the actual aliens?
 
If a D.A., I would ask;

Yeah, but where are the actual aliens?

In that scenario, if a D.A., I would first ask:

Yeah, so what crime are you alleging has been committed? And by whom?
 

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