Who Disrespects NYPD & NYFD

[uk_dave]

If a conspiracy were ever proved you would have few thousand apologies to make

Why?

What if a conspiracy WAS proved?

Why would that make the facts presented as a counter argument to the conspiracy worth apologising for?

A fact is a fact.

The CT'ers seem to go on gut feeling about the collapse 'not looking right' (to their untrained eyes) or PNAC's Pearl Harbour (to their mis-reading of the statement) or that...well...'something must be going on behind the scenes, right? I mean, we know governments lie and ...and.... well... just watch the x-files'

 

[jessicarabbit]

Why?

What if a conspiracy WAS proved?

Why would that make the facts presented as a counter argument to the conspiracy worth apologising for?

A fact is a fact.

The CT'ers seem to go on gut feeling about the collapse 'not looking right' (to their untrained eyes) or PNAC's Pearl Harbour (to their mis-reading of the statement) or that...well...'something must be going on behind the scenes, right? I mean, we know governments lie and ...and.... well... just watch the x-files'

I was thinking more about the calling people nutbars.

 

[Gravy]

If Larry Silverstein said Pull it, you must acquit.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/e/e0/200px-033005chewbacca4.jpg

You really should read my paper on WTC 7, which is linked in my signature, before writing such foolishness. Will you read it, then tell me if you disagree?

 

[Dazed]

If you couldn't tell that was a joke I'm sorry.

 

[gumboot]

The notion that CD was used on WTC1 and WTC2 for higher casualty rates is nonsense. A brief scan of the victims from NYC reveals this.

Virtually everyone who could escape from the towers did so prior to collapse. Only those trapped inside and emergency personnel died during the collapse in significant numbers.

I think you would be pushing it to argue it was pre-planned that the impact would trap a whole bunch of people to be killed off in the demolition. Secondly, I think allowing the towers to burn would be far worse. The reality is, none of those trapped above impact could have been saved. Imagine 9/11, with several more hours, indeed, perhaps several more days, of burning towers and people jumping to their deaths.

Imagine the impact of the US having to tear down the towers THEMSELVES after fire had destroyed the tops of them.

It is only logical for the conspirators to use CD if they had some sort of personal hatred of NYC emergency personnel and wanted to kill a whole bunch of them.

-Gumboot

 

[jessicarabbit]

You really should read my paper on WTC 7, which is linked in my signature, before writing such foolishness. Will you read it, then tell me if you disagree?

I realise Silverstein and the fire department dont demolish buildings but why are they even consulting siverstein about a firefighting issue. It has nothing to do with him how they fight fire in any building.

 

[Gravy]

Who's profiting? If truthers are reall such a minority surely the money would be in writing the debunking books.

Come on, Jessica. You know there's always a market for conspiracy literature.

 

[qarnos]

I saw the loose change creators speak thing. Isn't there a bit of attacking the person not the argument in there?

He has already destroyed the argument.

IIRC, Gravy procrastinated over whether or not to publish "Creators Speak" because of the very reason you highlighted, but decided that he should in order to show the callousness of these morons.

Here is the 9/11 conspiracy conspiracy: Dylan is in it for the money.

The point I was making is why debunk only loose change and not other things produced about 9/11

Because perhaps he has a life?

Gravy is not as your beck and call to debunk whatever you see fit. It pissed me off to see you guys treating him that way.

LC is the reason this forum exists. Perhaps you would like to read the several thousand posts about it in the sticky LC threads?

I will end this post with this:

There are invisible pink unicorns orbiting Pluto.

Prove me wrong.

 

[Gravy]

I realise Silverstein and the fire department dont demolish buildings but why are they even consulting siverstein about a firefighting issue. It has nothing to do with him how they fight fire in any building.

They didn't consult with him, they told him what the situation was. If you would read my paper, you'd read about this in depth. Will you do so, before commenting further on WTC 7? I think you will learn a lot.

 

[uk_dave]

UK,

Do you believe the government has been 100% truthful, transparent, and forthcoming about 9/11?

Russell

I believe the Bush admin was lazy and complacent in the first few months of 2001.

I believe they were more concerned with developing an energy policy favourable to their 'base', tax cuts favourable to their 'base' and faith based programmes, and that warnings about terrorist attacks on mainland USA were given low priority, not taken seriously or not understood.

I believe that the 9/11 attacks were of a scale no one in the world had ever seen before and for the terrorists it was a publicity stunt to show their own people that the US was not invincible.

I believe that the terrorists took advantage of complacency within the security for air travel in the US. Travel prior to 9/11 was like getting on a bus, with non passengers allowed to the departure gate and ID being considered a low priority. (As a side note, even now when boarding a flight in Las Vegas I heard over the PA that passengers needed to have ID with them, but that Nevada State Law does not require it to be shown when boarding the plane unless asked for. I mean, WHY?)

 

[jessicarabbit]

Come on, Jessica. You know there's always a market for conspiracy literature.

Yes but according to skeptics its a small market compared to all the normal people who would read books on the truth. Is popular mechanics giving the profits from its 911 book sales to charity?

 

[Gravy]

Don't tell me you having something in public that is out of date? *gasp*

The differences, Russell, are that

1) LC2E is still being viewed all the time. I know because I get emails about it.

2) I haven't changed my views about it, as you have done about the Pentagon.

 

[Dazed]

I remote viewed pluto and I can say with some certainty that there is no unicorn belt.

Further, how could something be at once pink and invisible?

 

[Usual Suspect]

Well guys it's been fun. I'm running on very little sleep so I must go. The threads wait for Gravy to debunk or concede with screenshots taken. Goodnight all.

 

[uk_dave]

Pluto's not even a planet anymore, so would unicorns put their belts there?

 

[Moving On]

It is only logical for the conspirators to use CD if they had some sort of personal hatred of NYC emergency personnel and wanted to kill a whole bunch of them.

-Gumboot

What are secondary explosive devices?

Secondary explosive devices are bombs placed at the scene of an ongoing emergency response that are intended to cause casualties among responders. Secondary explosive devices are designed to explode after a primary explosion or other major emergency response event has attracted large numbers of responders to the scene to inflict additional injury, damage, and fear.


http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/emergencypreparedness/guides/secondary.html

Surviving the Secondary Device - the Rules Have Changed

Produced in partnership with the Georgia Emergency Management Agency, this video is designed to assist public safety officials in making informed decisions concerning the real potential of secondary explosive devices. These devices, which detonate after the initial explosion, target blast survivors, other individuals who converge on the scene, and, more often, responding public safety personnel. The possibility of secondary devices require that public safety officials not only look at how to protect the lives our citizens, but how to protect the responders.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/odp/docs/video.htm

It is a well known tactic.

 

[Gravy]

I saw the loose change creators speak thing. Isn't there a bit of attacking the person not the argument in there?

I transcribed some of their interviews. It's their own words, their own arguments, for all to see. It's not my fault that their words show them to be woefully, and willfully, ignorant about 9/11. They disgrace themselves.

The point I was making is why debunk only loose change and not other things produced about 9/11

I wrote a 36-page, point-by-point refutation of the literature produced by NY911truth, and I often go to Ground Zero on Saturdays to oppose their churlish ignorance. I also have 3900 posts here, and many posts in other forums, nearly all about 9/11 issues, and most having nothing to do with Loose Change. My WTC 7 paper is not about Loose Change. I produced an index of notable JREF posts about 9/11 issues. I accepted the Scholars For Truth challenge to a National 9/11 debate.

I'll gladly do more if you'll pay me. This stuff takes time, you know.

You make many assumptions, Jessica. Why not take the time to get informed, rather than speculating all the time and having to be corrected?

 

[gumboot]

It is a well known tactic.[/B]

Cool,

So you are saying you're argument is the incredibly elaborate and highly-risky action of rigging the towers for demolition was done PURELY to kill an extra 400+ emergency personnel?

I don't see how you can consider the US Government to be so incredibly clever, and yet so utterly stupid, at exactly the same time.

It just isn't possible.

-Gumboot

 

[Moving On]

I don't see how you can consider the US Government to be so incredibly clever, and yet so utterly stupid, at exactly the same time.

It just isn't possible.

-Gumboot

Theory or fact?

 

[Moving On]

So at least now we agree CD is logical.

I guess we only have to discuss the details now.