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Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?
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Christopher?
Tha sin Ban (air beurla fair), chan eil Bain.
Maybe that's what dorve him bonkers. All the keening from the roof?
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Tha sin Ban (air beurla fair), chan eil Bain.
Maybe that's what dorve him bonkers. All the keening from the roof?
That would be so much funnier if I understood the first line.
(I just know a few words - not even that well, as indicated by spelling)
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According to someones calculations here the smallest thing that can be seen is 2-3 feet across at the distance the images are taken from.
This is an interior box column known as the "spire". It is about 2 feet wide and is very well captured by the available pixels.
This is 3" REBAR ON 4' CENTERS and it can be seen that in the right, lower portion te pixels are indeed losing their capture of the rebar.
Between the upper image link and the lower is fundamental proof that the lower image indeed portrays many, many pbjects that are on the edge of being visible for the available resolution. On the left side of the image there must be many because the exposure is more complete.
The image link at top was taken a second before the lower image. Clearly Belz is wrong in his analysis of the images.
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You are using ambigous terms.
Clearly, any column is a "supporting' member, so the term is indistinct.
I use the term "interior box column" which was emphasized in the 1990 docuementary and the term "core column" was explained as NOT being correct. The interior box column is named so becuase the towers were "tube in a tube constrcution" and the interior box columns were the inside wall of the outer tube. The perimeter columns were the outside.
The documentary also noted that some people involved with the project also made the same mistake and explained that the reason was because the tower had initially been concieved by Roberston with steel core columns. It was mostly people from his offices that made that mistake. It went on to explain that when Yamasaki got a hold of the design, the core columns disappeared because they simply flexed too much and he could not certify the towers as safe under conditions.
Box columns simply denote a rectangular column. In the case of the towers they were tubular and hand fabricated at the lower levels because the wall were just too thick to extrude. At higher levels they were extruded.
Below is an image that shows the interior box columns which surrounded the concrete core. The core was cast after at least 40 feet of interior columns were fabricated. Meaning, unfortunately, that the core was rarely photographed and the FEMA deception quite easy one the available images of construction were filtered to remove the few images that did show the concrete. The inside face of the interior box columns supported the wooden form boards that formed the outside wall of the inner tube, the concrete core.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3824&stc=1&d=1162069525
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You have posted an image which has been misinterpreted many times as a core column. It is not a column located in the core area and the page it comes from, http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html does not have an image showing columns in the core area. The column below is an interior box column which is shown here in place, outside and fastened to the thick concrete wall of the core at its base.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3826&stc=1&d=1162073952
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The real problem with this notion is that anything was moving. The fires were going out and nothing was moving.
Consider this.
The north tower was hit on the north side but the top fell south,
http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1207667
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You are wrong. You have been wrong about this since it was first shown to you. Claiming over and over and over again that the image posted was 'misinterpreted' does NOT make you right. It just makes you look crazy.
I realize you are completely sure of yourself. I'm sure you think you are totally right.
Sadly, you are not, and we all know it. We have an advantage over you in this debate, at least when it comes to lurkers and others reading this debate; we are right, everybody but you knows we are right, yet you keep arguing your case blissfully.
It just makes you look like a crazy person talking gibberish on the street corner.
I say that with all due respect, Chris, but it's the truth.
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Well, as I said, I haven't watched TV for 7 years so I only remembered which channel I saw it on, or forgot that indeed thy do refer to themselves as channel 28. However, once and for all this will show that we are both correct.
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Jerome_Al_19651539.aspx
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Al Jerome, president of KCET (Cox Cable Channel 10), grapples with these issues every day. A former NBC executive, Mr. Jerome has been running Southern California's pre-eminent public television station for the past nine years. Last week, while in Santa Barbara for a board of directors retreat, he took time to discuss the challenges his station is facing, and propose some creative solutions.
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The top of WTC 1 fell south when the NORTH PERIMETER WALL was the side damaged. Absolutely opposite of what would logically happen.
How can you question this?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3828&stc=1&d=1162076269
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Say that with due respect all you like but you have no evidence that column,
was anywhere except outside the core area adjacent to the concrete core wall as shown here. That image absolutely locates the column whereas gravys bogus image shows a column with parallel sides and there is no way to know where it is located.
You have no evidence.
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Remarkable sidestepping, Christophera. I was commenting on your claim about the fires going out, you reply with your claim that the planes hit the wrong towers. Again Chris:
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Tha sin Ban (air beurla fair), chan eil Bain.
Maybe that's what dorve him bonkers. All the keening from the roof?
It's "ban" (in English, fair), not Bain. Which I think is French for the bath.
So fair elf, basically, but it could be a play on the feminine Ban Righ (lit, fair king), which actually means queen. Note in passing that the bilingual signs at Glasgow Queen Street now read Glaschu Sraid Ban Righ.
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The fire in WTC 2 is well known to have been dying out. I've seen statements from observers that flames were reduced in WTC 1. I'll see if I can find them.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/audiotape.html
Seven minutes before the collapse, battalion chief Palmer is heard to say "Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines." The widow of Chief Palmer was allowed to hear the tape before excerpts were released by the Times. She said:
I didn't hear fear, I didn't hear panic. When the tape is made public to the world, people will hear that they all went about their jobs without fear, and selflessly.
Palmer called for a pair of engine companies to fight the fires. The fact that veteran firefighters showed no sign of fear or panic, and had a coherent plan for fighting the fire, contradicts the official explanation of the collapses that the fires were so hot and extensive that they weakened the steel structure.
Chief Orio Palmer was on the 78th floor when he made that call. Moments before the tower fell. Can you tell from this picture where the 78th floor is?
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I would guess that your point is that there are more than 2 fires showing. I can only say that firefighters in the building would have a better assesment of what was really happening than anyone viewing the outside of the building.
These links provide a quality analysis of the fire. The information of the core on this site is in error however. Notes below show why.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/fires/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/official/fema.html
The BPAT lacked subpoena power, hence was unable to obtain access to important documents such as engineering drawings of the buildings. 2
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/official/hsy77747_0.htm
why was important information such as building design plans was by and large unavailable,
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I've also seen it 'Bian' as in 'bian sidhe' (or Banshee).
But that's one language I have no clue about...
My wife took a name - Aine - that's pronounced (apparently) 'Aw-nee'. So don't ask me.
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Christophera said:
But did you use the proper wall thickness for the volume calculations of the walls? And what thickness did you use for the floors?
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Dear Christopher Alfred B.
Well, i know for fact that the spain, the
madrid-cell did a video within the towers
to spy for possible targets some years
before 9/11. I saw this tape.
Off course it was a long planned attack
and off course their intention was to
create as much damage as possible. The
difference to your theory is, that there
are many provable circumstances that it
was indeed the plan of terrorists.
And i am the last one who likes the
iraq-liars. Maybe you can give me a reason
to think otherwise regarding the evidence
that proves the connection from the gov
to 9/11.
The terrorists WTC video from 1996 is
available here:
http://rapidshare.de/files/37406735/Title_1__VOB_-Chapter_1-0.avi
Sincerely,
Oliver
Well, i know for fact that the spain, the
madrid-cell did a video within the towers
to spy for possible targets some years
before 9/11. I saw this tape.
Off course it was a long planned attack
and off course their intention was to
create as much damage as possible. The
difference to your theory is, that there
are many provable circumstances that it
was indeed the plan of terrorists.
And i am the last one who likes the
iraq-liars. Maybe you can give me a reason
to think otherwise regarding the evidence
that proves the connection from the gov
to 9/11.
The terrorists WTC video from 1996 is
available here:
http://rapidshare.de/files/37406735/Title_1__VOB_-Chapter_1-0.avi
Sincerely,
Oliver
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