Who Disrespects NYPD & NYFD

Okay, so assume it is. Read the first statement again.

People on the eighth floor when the collapse began survived to make a witness statement?
 
WildCat said:
Sounds like floors collapsing to me.
Click to expand...
To expand on this a little bit, if the air compression was enough to shatter windows a few stories down, imagine what it would be like in a small area such as a stairwell.
 
Okay, so you're both saying this explosion is a result of the collapse. So these people made it from the 8th floor to ground level, and safety, in the 9 seconds it took for the tower to come down?
 
Dazed said:
Okay, so assume it is. Read the first statement again.

People on the eighth floor when the collapse began survived to make a witness statement?
Click to expand...
Have you seen Inside the Twin Towers? They feature Capt. Jay Jonas' story. He was trapped on the 4th floor of the North Tower after the collapse. So, I'd say it was certainly possible.
 
No I haven't watched it yet. Please summarize the part of it that is relevent to this point.
 
Dazed said:
No I haven't watched it yet. Please summarize the part of it that is relevent to this point.
Click to expand...
I did. However, I'll make a deal with you. You tell me who made the statement and I'll see what I can find out.
 
Dazed said:
People on the eighth floor when the collapse began survived to make a witness statement?
Click to expand...
There were floors collapsing throughout the building prior to the catastrophic global collapse.
 
How about I make a deal with you? You provide a satisfactory explanation and I won't think you're talking out of your ass.
 
Dazed said:
Okay, so you're both saying this explosion is a result of the collapse. So these people made it from the 8th floor to ground level, and safety, in the 9 seconds it took for the tower to come down?
Click to expand...
Even after the global collapse initiated, it took longer than 9 seconds. Where do you get this stuff? Have you learned nothing in your time here?
 
WildCat said:
There were floors collapsing throughout the building prior to the catastrophic global collapse.
Click to expand...

Okay great, this is what I wanted to hear. You're saying that floors were collapsing prior to global catastrophic failure.

So, on the one hand, the tower collapsed so quickly, because when a floor fails, all the top floors crashing down could not be resisted by the lower structure, yet when it comes to accounting for explosions, we have all sorts of floors collapsing independently of the rest of the structure, without triggering catastrophic failure. Is this a reasonable summation of your argument?
 
Last edited:
Dazed said:
Okay great, this is what I wanted to hear. You're saying that floors were collapsing prior to global catastrophic failure.

So, on the one hand, the tower collapsed so quickly, because when a floor fails, all the top floors crashing down could not be resisted by the lower structure, yet when it comes to accounting for explosions, we have all sorts of floors collapsing independently of the rest of the structure?
Click to expand...
Please don't get all stupid on me.
 
Dazed said:
How about I make a deal with you? You provide a satisfactory explanation and I won't think you're talking out of your ass.
Click to expand...
I did, there were people on the lower floors of the tower trapped in the rubble that still survived the collapse. It's a proven fact. Ergo, they could have survived the collapse. Now, you seem to want certainty, therefore, why don't you find the name of the fireman so we can find out exactly what happened to him? Or are you only good at throwing around insults?
 
Dazed said:
Okay great, this is what I wanted to hear. You're saying that floors were collapsing prior to global catastrophic failure.

So, on the one hand, the tower collapsed so quickly, because when a floor fails, all the top floors crashing down could not be resisted by the lower structure, yet when it comes to accounting for explosions, we have all sorts of floors collapsing independently of the rest of the structure?
Click to expand...

Dazed, I don't know what you're trying to say here.

WTC 1 and 2 collapsed. On fire. They had hundreds of small generators, diesel tanks, high voltage lines, coffee makers, air fresheners, and who knows what else. The total chemical energy stored in the WTC towers was the equivalent of a 5 kiloton bomb by one estimate.

Very complex situation.

I don't see how your anecdote about what happened to one or two people is inconsistent with the official story. Could you explain that to me, please?
 
Ah. I see how it works now. You talk yourself into a corner than the ad hominems fly.
 
It's also not at all clear from that video what building that person was even in. They started on the 21st floor, which was well below the damaged areas of WTC 1 and 2. Shouldn't have been so much trouble getting out from there... perhaps they were in one of the adjacent buildings and what knocked him back was debris from WTC 1 or 2 collapsing?
 
R.Mackey said:
Dazed, I don't know what you're trying to say here.

WTC 1 and 2 collapsed. On fire. They had hundreds of small generators, diesel tanks, high voltage lines, coffee makers, air fresheners, and who knows what else. The total chemical energy stored in the WTC towers was the equivalent of a 5 kiloton bomb by one estimate.

Very complex situation.

I don't see how your anecdote about what happened to one or two people is inconsistent with the official story. Could you explain that to me, please?
Click to expand...

I agree, I was just pointing out the silliness of Hawk One trying to say these explosions were caused by aerosol cans and soda.

Which lead to these other 2 arguing the explosions were from collapsing floors... I think your "small generators, diesel tanks," are more probable.
 
Last edited:
Dazed said:
I agree, I was just pointing out the silliness of Hawk One trying to say these explosions were caused by aerosol cans and soda.
Click to expand...
Fair enough, I'd agree with that. But much larger explosions are also not unexpected, in fact were observed by many on scene.

If my house caught fire, there'd be quite a few significant BOOMs... as my pressurized CO2 cylinders, stash of 12-ga. trap ammo, and cans of 30% nitromethane model aircraft fuel went up. Probably more that I haven't even thought about.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom