Why do CTist deny Islamics extremists want to kill us?

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That is something I really don't understand. 9/11 was an inside job. It could not have been pulled of by a man in a cave. Why?

Why do the CTist deny the fact that Islamic extremists want to kill us? Why do they deny Islamic extremists have killed thousands of people all over the world? Both on 9/11, before and after?

Do the CTist think that after 9/11 is investigated (whatever that means to them) the terror attacks will stop?

I'm glad governments all over the world are putting so much effort in investigating terror cells, stopping attacks and arresting terrorist. They ensure we can live in relative security.

Being angry at the US government for failing to recognize the threat and stopping 9/11 is one thing, blaming them for acting out those terrible events on that terrible day is a serious and wrong allegation.

2973 people died at 9/11. They died at the hands and through the acts of Islamic extremists. Denying that, and denying the fact Islamic extremists want to kill us, is failing to recognize that you and I could be their next victims.
 
I agree. The problem is that most of the CTers, from what I have seen, treat the lives lost as secondary. More important to them is beating up on the USG. There is a definitely a "rebel without a cause" effect, that sees many of these truthers become such because it is there way of "rebelling". They will deny this of course, but you merely need to look at the demographic of the movement to see it is true.

In 10 years, most of these wingnut "Rebels" will likely have grown up, and will realize what idiots they have been.

Of course, there is a legitimate component to the movement...those asking legitimate questions about government incompetence and perhaps even negligence, but these, unfortunately, are the minority.

Finally, there are the true wingnuts. The "scholars" who I have to question whether they fall on the "insane" or "genius" side of things. These are the Judy Woods, the Steven Jones, the Morgan Reynolds of the movement.

Overall, the vast majority of them are more concerned with "exposing" the evil NWO than the victims, or the real perps...

But that is what we are here for...right?

TAM
 
Personally i don´t think there are thousands of islamic
extremists that are ready to kill you american citizens.
Maybe the troofers are right and the gov is a much
bigger evil than the extremists? :D
 
If they admit to terrorists being the culprit and stand in outrage they would have to then stand with the government, and it's just not cool to someone who wants to rage against the NWO to align themselves that way.
 
There are islamist radicals out there who wants to kill americans but the question is why do they want to kill us? It's definitely not for the reason of our freedom and democracy as it is ridiculously claimed by the bush administration. They don't care about freedom, they only want justice. Is their hatred for americans the reason of our support for israel? Or is it the US foreign policy that's brewing anger over there? Is the US media responsible for painting the army of islamist rebels who are determined to fight for greater good as evil and bad terrorists?

Most of us don't believe that the 9/11 attack was in the level of islamist radicals to be able to pull off, not without the help of insiders anyway.
 
geggy said:
There are islamist radicals out there who wants to kill americans but the question is why do they want to kill us? It's definitely not for the reason of our freedom and democracy as it is ridiculously claimed by the bush administration. They don't care about freedom, they only want justice. Is their hatred for americans the reason of our support for israel? Or is it the US foreign policy that's brewing anger over there? Is the US media responsible for painting the army of islamist rebels who are determined to fight for greater good as evil and bad terrorists?

Most of us don't believe that the 9/11 attack was in the level of islamist radicals to be able to pull off, not without the help of insiders anyway.
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I think it´s the foreign policy and the jewish lobby/friendship
within the states. IMHO they should be a littlebit more neutral.

Concerning the media i think the average american citizens were
brainwashed during the "War on Terror":

 
geggy said:
Most of us don't believe that the 9/11 attack was in the level of islamist radicals to be able to pull off, not without the help of insiders anyway.
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Most of who? CTists?

Why would the plot in the universally accepted version of events require inside help?
 
Bell said:
That is something I really don't understand. 9/11 was an inside job. It could not have been pulled of by a man in a cave. Why?
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It wasn't quite as simple as a man in a cave, I think that is why a lot of people fall into the conspiracy trap. I know you don't think of the attacks as a man giving orders from a cave, but that's how it is often portrayed in the media, which means people aren't aware of the malignant planning and lengths the extremists wanted to go to.

Bell said:
Why do the CTist deny the fact that Islamic extremists want to kill us? Why do they deny Islamic extremists have killed thousands of people all over the world? Both on 9/11, before and after?
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I think it is in part because of a general ignorance about how the attacks were carried out. If people were aware of the competence of people like Ali Mohamed, they'd probably no longer believe it was a conspiracy theory.
 
geggy said:
Most of us don't believe that the 9/11 attack was in the level of islamist radicals to be able to pull off, not without the help of insiders anyway.
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You should take a look to my "Madrid AQ-Cell Video".
It´s hard to me to believe that it was MIHOP after all
the details i´ve learned about the Al Qaeda cells.
 
geggy said:
There are islamist radicals out there who wants to kill americans but the question is why do they want to kill us? It's definitely not for the reason of our freedom and democracy as it is ridiculously claimed by the bush administration. They don't care about freedom, they only want justice. Is their hatred for americans the reason of our support for israel? Or is it the US foreign policy that's brewing anger over there? Is the US media responsible for painting the army of islamist rebels who are determined to fight for greater good as evil and bad terrorists?
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Don't move the goalposts geggy. The issue here is not why the extremists want to kill us, but that they want to kill us. Something most CTists are denying, by saying the government/NWO/Zionists were responsible for 9/11 and other attacks.

Most of us don't believe that the 9/11 attack was in the level of islamist radicals to be able to pull off, not without the help of insiders anyway.
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Is there any proof that there was insider (whatever that means, government?) help? If there was any help at all, it is the fact that the thread was not recognized and acted upon.
 
JackPT said:
It wasn't quite as simple as a man in a cave, I think that is why a lot of people fall into the conspiracy trap. I know you don't think of the attacks as a man giving orders from a cave, but that's how it is often portrayed in the media, which means people aren't aware of the malignant planning and lengths the extremists wanted to go to.
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Yes, maybe poor choice of words. I was phrasing the CTists, who seem to like this way of imaging.
 
Oliver said:
You should take a look to my "Madrid AQ-Cell Video".
It´s hard to me to believe that it was MIHOP after all
the details i´ve learned about the Al Qaeda cells.
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Oliver, is this video on YouTube or Google as well? I'm having troubles with the avi.
 
T.A.M. said:
I agree. The problem is that most of the CTers, from what I have seen, treat the lives lost as secondary. More important to them is beating up on the USG. There is a definitely a "rebel without a cause" effect, that sees many of these truthers become such because it is there way of "rebelling". They will deny this of course, but you merely need to look at the demographic of the movement to see it is true.
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More like the Belamy Brothers' "Rebels without a Clue"

T.A.M. said:
In 10 years, most of these wingnut "Rebels" will likely have grown up, and will realize what idiots they have been.

Of course, there is a legitimate component to the movement...those asking legitimate questions about government incompetence and perhaps even negligence, but these, unfortunately, are the minority.

Finally, there are the true wingnuts. The "scholars" who I have to question whether they fall on the "insane" or "genius" side of things. These are the Judy Woods, the Steven Jones, the Morgan Reynolds of the movement.

Overall, the vast majority of them are more concerned with "exposing" the evil NWO than the victims, or the real perps...

But that is what we are here for...right?

TAM
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Infused with the life of "Political Correctness" (Never having known anything else), and the Argumentum ad Populus that since everybody in the world hate us, we must be absolutely wrong in all things, what else can they do?
 
JackPT said:
It wasn't quite as simple as a man in a cave, I think that is why a lot of people fall into the conspiracy trap. I know you don't think of the attacks as a man giving orders from a cave, but that's how it is often portrayed in the media, which means people aren't aware of the malignant planning and lengths the extremists wanted to go to.
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They might have been hiding in a cave for a while, but they're not cavemen. The leaders of the terrorist groups are smart, rich, and connected and their followers are trained soldiers, perhaps not as well trained as the US military, but trained more than some rebels with pitchforks. I mean, they fought off a full scale Russian invasion!
 
dirtywick said:
They might have been hiding in a cave for a while, but they're not cavemen. The leaders of the terrorist groups are smart, rich, and connected and their followers are trained soldiers, perhaps not as well trained as the US military, but trained more than some rebels with pitchforks. I mean, they fought off a full scale Russian invasion!
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hell, when you think about it NORAD is really just a cave (manmade, but a cave none the less)
 
IMHO, it's because many (most?) hard-core conspiracy theorists live in a black/white, either/or world. They accept premise A - "Bush and his administration are all evil and want to destroy our country" - and believe that that automatically falsifies premise B - "Fundamentalist extremists plotted to kill Americans and cause damage to buildings and financial institutions".

I live in a chaotic world where things tend to be more gray. I have no problems believing that Bush is bad for the country and that Bin Ladin and friends hate us at the same time. Star Trek notwithstanding, the enemy of my enemy is not automatically my friend.

I think the reason CTers dismiss the victims is because they can't relate to them. They're just 3000 faceless strangers, in places many of them probably hadn't seen before they became CTers. For me, even though I was on the other side of the country and hadn't been in Manhattan for nearly 20 years, those were real places and people: my former company had offices in the North tower, I talked with the sales engineers there regularly, my least-favorite customers occupied several floors in the towers and building 7 - fortunately, they all survived. Another former co-worker was not as lucky: he was on the first plane.
 
The Islamic world has let its dogs out.
The US is far from the only victim of this, many countries totally unconnected with the "war on terror" are experiencing the "religion of peace" right now.
For a more in depth view of this, then visit,
thereligionofpeace.com
 
scissorhands said:
The Islamic world has let its dogs out.
The US is far from the only victim of this, many countries totally unconnected with the "war on terror" are experiencing the "religion of peace" right now.
For a more in depth view of this, then visit,
thereligionofpeace.com
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Surprise, surprise. The wonders of leader installments. :rolleyes:
But criticism beside: The "able danger" is much smaller than you
think. No matter what cool website you post. :D

BTW: Welcome on board.
 
dirtywick said:
They might have been hiding in a cave for a while, but they're not cavemen. The leaders of the terrorist groups are smart, rich, and connected and their followers are trained soldiers, perhaps not as well trained as the US military, but trained more than some rebels with pitchforks. I mean, they fought off a full scale Russian invasion!
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That, in itself, was increadibly complex. The Mujahideen weren't keen on the Americans even then, so much of the training was done by Pakistan acting as a proxy for the US against Russia. It's a pedantic point, but it annoys me when people say that the US trained the Mujahideen, it wasn't the US, it was Pakistan with the financial and logistic support of the US. The US had to be discrete because of the geopolitical situation and because of the fundamentalist Islamic leanings of many of the Mujahideen. The US in no-way endorsed the views of the Mujahideen. It may be that it was naive of the US to think that veterans of the Afghan/Russian war wouldn't have been a problem elsewhere. But at the time, when the Russian/Afghan war was put in context, the Russians weren't exactly smelling of roses either.

This is one of the things I dislike about the idea that solely US foreign policy was responsible for 9/11, because it ignores the impact of Russian foreign policy, and the impact of Pakistan and others after the Russians left. Fundamentalist religion plays a very big part. I have read quotes from Bin Laden, saying that god was responsible for the defeat of the Russians in Afghanistan. Which is ironic because it was America, not a god, that enabled the defeat of the Russians. I don't think America is perfect, and there are a lot of things that can be criticised (as with most countries, including my own) but it annoys the hell out of me when people place the blame on 9/11 on America, rather than looking at it as far more complex situation.

Most people here do look on it as complex picture, rather than silly conspiracy theories, or in black and white terms, so this post isn't really addressed to anyone here. I just wanted to get it off my chest ;-).
 
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