Who Disrespects NYPD & NYFD

Pardalis said:
Usual Suspect, do you think your government planned to kill a thousand of its citicenz by air polluting at ground zero?
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Yes. By telling them the air quality was safe when it wasn't, was basicly sending 1,000s of people who lived and worked in NYC to their deaths. How about you show up at one of the meetings and tell these people how much their gov't cares about them. Also remind them how much the gov't cares and that's why they're blocking medical aid. These people are also paying the health expenses out of their own pocket. Do you have half the ball to do that?? You know just go down and show some of that respect.
 
jessicarabbit said:
An eyewitness would just say "It collapsed" they wouldnt offer reasons
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I would if I was a biker and had an opinion

like you, talking CT like a puppet, a sock type

both sides and lots of questions, just why would someone not say

aircraft damaged buildings, fires raged, lots of fires, and then they fell, due to structural damage, you mean those big giant 100 foot holes in the building covering several floors

YES, i suspect structural damage, gee from just those big holes and fires, YES

All the future CT guys are hiding under there beds or getting out of Kindergarten when this happen

what would Docker say???
 
jessicarabbit said:
An eyewitness would just say "It collapsed" they wouldnt offer reasons
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I think it's funny that the conspirators could only afford to place one guy on the street to reinforce the official version, and apparently he was such a bad actor that he is now used in an internet video as an example of complicity in a crime.

Either the 'evil doers' are even more inept than I'd thought possible.... or this guy is being wrongfully maligned by people who should know better.
 
Usual Suspect said:
But of course you do.
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Don't you see?

It's two sides of the same coin.

You accuse the govt of putting an actor on the street with pre-prepared lines to confirm what their 'fake' report will say.

And the CT is accused of putting an actor on the street with pre-prepared lines to confirm that the govt is capable of putting an actor on the street with ......... blah blah
 
Originally Posted by jessicarabbit
In 1999 the Luther King family took the government to court. A jury found that the government had conspired to kill Martin Luther King and had framed James Earl Ray as a patsy.

I am making the point that this disproves assertions that the government don't conspire to kill american citizens.

Is this not a fair point gravy?
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It's not only not a "fair" point, it's not even a correct point, Ms. Rabbit. The King family did NOT take the government to court. They filed a wrongful death civil suit ---- CIVIL SUIT --- against a bar owner in Memphis who claimed he was given money to hire an assasin and that man wasn't James Earl Ray. The suit was Kings v Jowers and unnamed conspirators. No mention of the government in the suit, so get your facts straight.

The jury in its award of $100 to the King family, added the government when they handed in the award. A civil suit is not a criminal trial. The rules of evidence are much looser as any attorney can tell you.

Quit harping on why the opinion of six jurors being "proof" that governments conspire to kill people.
 
Pardalis said:
Prove to me it's a genuine Fox interview.
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Do some work with your own lazy ass and email Fox.

Hmmmm where did Gravy go?? That video Jessica put up take him off guard so he had to disappear to create his spin?? I think so.:rolleyes:

Funny how right after she posted it, "My internet went all screwy and I can't view the video." Yeeeeeah OOOOOOOOKay :rolleyes:
 
Isn't it just?

So now you have all this evidence could you guys tell us what you think happened on 911?

In a few short sentences. I will give you an example.

19 guys funded through Al Quada hijacked four planes. Three of them hit buildings. Two burnt and fell down. One hit the Pentagon. The forth crashed after the passengers staged a fight back. NIST have produced a report into the collapse of the towers that is accepted by the vast majority of the scientific community. At the moment they are investigating why WTC 7 collapsed.

OK over to you.

I'll start you off.

"Some time before 911............... (please enter sentences)..........................."

(Ps, no nitpicking of my sentences just enter your own)

Free my mind and tell me what happened, no excuses, no fall back on “we’re just asking question”. No more “that’s for the USG to tell us”.

YOU are the accusers of US citizens of being involved in mass murder of their fellow countrymen, time to put up. Tell us what happened.

STILL WAITING.
 
Usual Suspect said:
But of course ;)



You should know about that. You parrot the official lie.
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I watched the video as you can see

so, what did you say on 9/11?

I said it was on purpose when I saw the WTC1 damage and the clear weather.

I was thinking OBL had bought planes and did it. I had read the book where the Japanese guy was mad at US and used his own plane to take out the capitol.

Second hit, maybe this is when I had the OBL bought planes idea, but I did know it was on purpose after seeing the first impact damage.

When it fell, I would have to agree with the video interview you presented. Never have seen it, neat how CT videos prove the CT movement wrong.

Funny how all the stuff CT movement present is self critiquing.
 
jessicarabbit said:
In 1999 the Luther King family took the government to court. A jury found that the government had conspired to kill Martin Luther King and had framed James Earl Ray as a patsy.

I am making the point that this disproves assertions that the government don't conspire to kill american citizens.
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Ah, I can see you're not from the US. He's never referred to as "Luther King." You're talking about the guy who went on TV with wild claims about his involvement with the Mafia and the US gov't in the King murder. Reminds me of quite a few JFK assassination confessors.

Okay, looked it up. The guy's name was Jowers. It was a civil suit, not criminal. The suit was for "Wrongful death" The jury found Jowers' confession credible and found him guilty. The King family was awarded $100 (they weren't seeking money). Although it was a conspiracy trial, no other person was held accountable or punished in any way.

A Justice Department Civil Rights investigation concluded that there was no basis to Jowers' claim.

So, no, I don't think this is a good example to show that the US government is capable of a successful massive conspiracy and coverup in the deaths of thousands of its citizens and the destruction of billions in property.

ETA: ah, Foolmewunz was on it.
 
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OK, I'll take up Stateofgrace's challenge:

A bunch of Islamic terrorists conspired to fly planes into large buildings up and down the East Coast of the US. They weren't very good at conspiring as several of them brought themselves to the attention of the FBI. However, the FBI, through sloppiness, infighting, turf-protecting and general incompetence, failed to act on the information given to them, which allowed the terrorists to carry out their plot to fly planes into large buildings. The buildings then collapsed and 3,000 people died. One of the large buildings fell on a smaller building nearby, damaging it severely enough that it too collapsed.

See? You don't NEED an elaborate conspiracy theory involving tons of mythical explosives to explain the events of that day. Was the FBI incompetent? Yes. Criminally so? Possibly. But were they complicit? No.

This theory is called LIHOI (Let It Happen Out of Incompetence/Ignorance) and I'll wager it has quite a few adherents here at JREF.
 
beachnut said:
I would if I was a biker and had an opinion

like you, talking CT like a puppet, a sock type

both sides and lots of questions, just why would someone not say

aircraft damaged buildings, fires raged, lots of fires, and then they fell, due to structural damage, you mean those big giant 100 foot holes in the building covering several floors

YES, i suspect structural damage, gee from just those big holes and fires, YES

All the future CT guys are hiding under there beds or getting out of Kindergarten when this happen

what would Docker say???
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I'll see you this and raise you one. I DID SAY IT. I watched the whole thing live from Jersey City (20th floor picture window at 10 Exchange Place), and after we were forced to evacuate our buildings, we watched from the Hudson River shoreline. When the buildings went down, individually, there was much conversation and the general consensus was that it was from a weakening of the structure due to the damages from the crash and fire.
Many people said it on my side of the river, and I'm certain that anyone on the Manhattan side would have been involved in similar conversations, and many there would've said the same thing.

Why would it be that "the guy in the video" this time is a liar or actor? This thread started out with abject faith with another "the guy in the video".
 
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