What's So Bad About Bill O'Reilly?

jimtron said:
Do you think that everyone who has views that you don't share is lacking integrity? Here are a few folks who I disagree with, but who have integrity afaik:

John McCain
George Will
David Brooks
P.J. O'Rourke
Penn & Teller
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Er, the discussion on integrity concerned broadcasters (as a subset of political discourse). Where do those folks broadcast an hour 5 days a week on tv and have a daily talk radio show as well?

hgc said:
And I'll raise you one Joe Scarborough.
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A politician -- hint, that's what he is -- with integrity? ROFL. I agree Scarb is careful in what he says and in his general demeaner.

I'll think a bit on Pat Buchanan and integrity; IMO he's one scary dude idea-wise.

But ding-ding we may have a winner in Mort Kondrake, again a man who is careful in what he says and in his general demeaner.
 
hammegk said:
Er, the discussion on integrity concerned broadcasters (as a subset of political discourse). Where do those folks broadcast an hour 5 days a week on tv and have a daily talk radio show as well?


A politician -- hint, that's what he is -- with integrity? ROFL. I agree Scarb is careful in what he says and in his general demeaner.

I'll think a bit on Pat Buchanan and integrity; IMO he's one scary dude idea-wise.

But ding-ding we may have a winner in Mort Kondrake, again a man who is careful in what he says and in his general demeaner.
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My list was used as an example of people whose views I disagree with, but who I feel have integrity.
 
Some can't tell the difference between a "flea" and a "new train of thought". Hi hgc.

Jim: "Broadcasters" you feel have integrity; that was the question.
 
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hammegk said:
Jim: "Broadcasters" you feel have integrity; that was the question.
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Still not addressed to me, but local afternoon radio man Dave Glover, who occasionally subs nationally on Glenn Beck's radio show. He is the most intellectually honest guy I've heard on radio, even if I don't always agree with him. When Dave doesn't know something, he says he doesn't know it. When he has a guest who he disagrees with, he says at the start that he doesn't agree but then lets the guest have his/her say nearly uninterrupted, save a few clarifying questions.

You may not understand this, hammegk, but just because you don't agree with someone does not mean that you have to think that person is dishonest or stupid. It is possible to respect someone who thinks differently than you.
 
Upchurch said:
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Still not addressed to me, but local afternoon radio man Dave Glover, who occasionally subs nationally on Glenn Beck's radio show. He is the most intellectually honest guy I've heard on radio, even if I don't always agree with him. When Dave doesn't know something, he says he doesn't know it. When he has a guest who he disagrees with, he says at the start that he doesn't agree but then lets the guest have his/her say nearly uninterrupted, save a few clarifying questions.

You may not understand this, hammegk, but just because you don't agree with someone does not mean that you have to think that person is dishonest or stupid. It is possible to respect someone who thinks differently than you.
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I often disagree with Noam Chomsky (writing) but the man is sharp as a razor.

I like Glenn Beck, and his sub Dave, because they tend to be more open to opposing points of view than the standard radio talk show host. Most other talk show hosts seem to be 95% spin and an occasional nugget of thoughtful comment.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
I like Glenn Beck, and his sub Dave, because they tend to be more open to opposing points of view than the standard radio talk show host. Most other talk show hosts seem to be 95% spin and an occasional nugget of thoughtful comment.
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While Beck is a funny man, I don't find him to be any better on the spin-to-intellectual honesty ratio than any of the other radio talk show guy in terms of actual content. However, Beck is also much more obviously a comedy show meant for entertainment, as opposed to O'Reilly who passes himself as completely serious. In that, at least, he is more honest about what he's doing.

Also, I should point out that I've never heard Dave on Beck's show. I've only ever heard him talk about being on Beck's show on his own show. He could be playing it completely different because of the different focus of the two shows. I don't know.
 
Upchurch said:
You may not understand this, hammegk,
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As our little in-joke ... maybe you should post a link. :rolleyes:

but just because you don't agree with someone does not mean that you have to think that person is dishonest or stupid.
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Damn. Who woulda guessed that? Uppie, as usual, you are a hoot.

IMO, dishonesty is trickier to discern than stupidity.

It is possible to respect someone who thinks differently than you.
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That depends on the specifics of the disagreement.
 
Its funny that everyone hates, ridicules, smears Bill... But he is obviously an important figure if all of you sit here and debate him. Olberman (MSNBC), Bill's main competition, routinely has segments where he simply bashes him for 5 minutes... No one ever mentions that; I find it extremely childish and insecure to smear somebody or use the smoke screen of a "new broadcast" to bash somebody you don't like. (I do find many things Bill says misleading, incorrect, and sometimes just plain humorous.) But people like him; a lot of people actually. And you know what, its almost nice to have a different view on the cable news; something other than the communist news network (CNN)... So if you don't like him don't watch him... But don't sit here and judge a man based on an hour long program you watch with biased eyes...
 
jimtron said:
Charlie Rose
Bill Maher
Penn & Teller
Tavis Smiley
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Ya know, I'm beginning to think we agree that "broadcaster integrity" is an oxymoron.

I may have to give you Rose & Smiley; I don't recall ever seeing either show, nor, after I quick google am I inclined to. I do have a suspicion you like what hear what they & their guests present as Truth.

I don't classify comedians and magicians as broadcasters, but if I did we'd have to agree to disagree that your examples demonstrate broadcast integrity.
 
Long time lurker, First time poster. I just wanted to comment on this. Bill O'Reilly is a bully. He has people on his show just to shout at/threaten them. The interview where he has Donahue on is great, Donahue makes mincemeat of him
 
MilwaukeeMike said:
So if you don't like him don't watch him... But don't sit here and judge a man based on an hour long program you watch with biased eyes...
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Why not judge him? If the man is blatantly lying, am I supposed to let other viewers not know?

I like to listen in on other points of view. Sometimes it is to learn new things which modify my point of view. Sometimes it is just to see how the other side thinks.

Do you only watch that which you agree with (or like?)?
 
I don't classify comedians and magicians as broadcasters, but if I did we'd have to agree to disagree that your examples demonstrate broadcast integrity.
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Maybe "cablecasters" would be a more accurate term (if you're not familiar with the show, it's not magic but about their views on the paranormal, politics, etc.)?

I do have a suspicion you like what hear what they & their guests present as Truth.
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Uhh, I gave these names as people who I often disagree with (see post #144) I have a suspicion you like what hear too.
 
hammegk said:
As our little in-joke ... maybe you should post a link. :rolleyes:
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I wouldn't want to upset you with facts. ;)

hammegk said:
but just because you don't agree with someone does not mean that you have to think that person is dishonest or stupid.
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Damn. Who woulda guessed that? Uppie, as usual, you are a hoot.

IMO, dishonesty is trickier to discern than stupidity.
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What a completely irrelevant response that entirely misses the point. I was being flippant before, but I guess you really do have difficulty understand the concept.

hammegk said:
It is possible to respect someone who thinks differently than you.
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That depends on the specifics of the disagreement.
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No, hammegk, the specifics of a particular disagreement has no bearing on whether or not it is possible to respect someone who thinks differently than you. The specifics of the disagreement only effects whether or not you respect a specific person.
 
Upchurch said:
I wouldn't want to upset you with facts. ;)
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Provide a fact; who knows, even that I suppose is "possible". I promise I'll tell you if it upsets me.

What a completely irrelevant response that entirely misses the point. I was being flippant before, but I guess you really do have difficulty understand the concept.
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As usual, duh. ;)

No, hammegk, the specifics of a particular disagreement has no bearing on whether or not it is possible to respect someone who thinks differently than you. The specifics of the disagreement only effects whether or not you respect a specific person.
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Sorry, Uppie. As I said, to me, it may well depend on the specifics. "Possible" is an irrelevant weasel word.

Strange. Do you actually believe I don't think it "possible"? A great many things are "possible" as humans interact.


jimtron said:
I have a suspicion you like what you hear too.
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Lately, I haven't heard much that I "like" from any source.
 
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