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[Horatius]

Whether the block (or the part where the block falls onto) integrates during the fall does not really matter as long as the mass goes in the same directory, here we have to assume

- it all stays above the footprint

We don't need it all to stay above the footprint, just enough to overcome the next floor. What that amount would be is unclear, but it is certainly less than "all", based on the observed collapse.

- the terminal velocity is never reached (i.e the dust goes as fast as the solid mass and gets no resistance from air and itself)

I'm not sure what you mean here - some dust will be left behind, and there may be a spread in the velocites of the overall mass of the falling parts, but again, so long as the mass that impacts is enough, the lower floors will break.

- the energy to break each storey is much lower than the kinetic energy of the bulk above, at that moment

And this is pretty much it. No CTist has ever shown any calculations as to how much energy it would take to actually break each storey. They've made some wild claims based on the complete disintegration of the floors, which simply did not happen. Everything else they show consists merely of handwaving about conservaton of energy, with no serious attempts at truly accounting for all the available energy.

 

[Horatius]

Also, here is a pictorial argument against your hypothesis:]

Oh come now, that white car has clearly not undergone any significant damage! And don't you give me any guff about "points of view" and "right front offset collisions"!


Shill!

ETA: And the "people" in the cars are so clearly dummies! How could dummies drive a car, let alone two of them? I can't believe you fell for that!

 

[DavidJames]

How could dummies drive a car, let alone two of them? I can't believe you fell for that!

I don't know, two dummies driving cars and running into one another. Happens around here all the time.

 

[Johnny Pixels]

When two objects collide, one of three things can happen:

1. A remains intact and destroys B
2. B remains intact and destroys A
3. Something between these two extremes.

When I sit down too quickly, sometimes my chair breaks, sometimes my ass esplodes.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Your ass exploding was adding new energy into the system.

 

[Horatius]

Your ass exploding was adding new energy into the system.

You know what? That was actually funny. There might be hope for you yet.

 

[chran]

Yep, that's TS.

"Nick" from Cleveland. He should change it to "nuts" from Cleveland.

http://myspace-534.vo.llnwd.net/01266/43/53/1266023534_l.jpg

"Purjury" - hehehe, too funny!

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

You guys keep suggesting that the mass of the towers keeps within the footprint and keeps accumulating. Where is the evidence for this? What becomes of this mass next? Where did it all go?

I see no evidence that any more than a tiny fraction of those two towers stayed within the footprint. All evidence indicates that 99+% of the non-metallic mass, and a large percentage of the steel was first disintegrated then forced outside the footprint in a very violent manner. Thus we observe the inches deep powder that covered lower Manhattan "from river to river".

Where is the evidence for remaining mass within the footprint? The hi res hunt is the best. Everyone should do it.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Where is the evidence for remaining mass within the footprint? The hi res hunt is the best. Everyone should do it.

Looking at pretty pictures is no substitute for measuring real things. The mass of the rubble pile the two towers left is, I'll wager a six pack of beer sight unseen, higher than 1% of the mass of the towers.

 

[chipmunk stew]

You guys keep suggesting that the mass of the towers keeps within the footprint and keeps accumulating. Where is the evidence for this? What becomes of this mass next? Where did it all go?

I see no evidence that any more than a tiny fraction of those two towers stayed within the footprint. All evidence indicates that 99+% of the non-metallic mass, and a large percentage of the steel was first disintegrated then forced outside the footprint in a very violent manner. Thus we observe the inches deep powder that covered lower Manhattan "from river to river".

Where is the evidence for remaining mass within the footprint? The hi res hunt is the best. Everyone should do it.

How about the tall heap of debris, the peak of which was inside the footprint?

 

[Horatius]

I see no evidence that any more than a tiny fraction of those two towers stayed within the footprint. All evidence indicates that 99+% of the non-metallic mass, and a large percentage of the steel was first disintegrated then forced outside the footprint in a very violent manner. Thus we observe the inches deep powder that covered lower Manhattan "from river to river".

So once again I must remind you that only about 3.5%-7.6% of the original mass turned to dust.

 

[uk_dave]

I must say this forum is very humbling for me, intelligence-wise. I'll probably never make full membership.

Perry,

Don't put yourself down....there's plenty on youtube that'll do that for you!


You are the perfect antidote to alex jones...in fact i even used your website on another forum to counter an 'infowars' and 'prisonplanet' acolyte.

But I held back from the vids.

 

[bob_kark]

You guys keep suggesting that the mass of the towers keeps within the footprint and keeps accumulating. Where is the evidence for this? What becomes of this mass next? Where did it all go?

I see no evidence that any more than a tiny fraction of those two towers stayed within the footprint. All evidence indicates that 99+% of the non-metallic mass, and a large percentage of the steel was first disintegrated then forced outside the footprint in a very violent manner. Thus we observe the inches deep powder that covered lower Manhattan "from river to river".

Where is the evidence for remaining mass within the footprint? The hi res hunt is the best. Everyone should do it.

I don't see what the dust has to do with anything. Dust can travel for miles in the air. Even when it reaches the ground, it can continue to shift. Also, what evidence do you have to support your claim that any steel was "disintegrated?" I'd be very interested in seeing that, unless you think that's what the dust is composed of. Please, don't believe the dust is made of steel.

 

[CurtC]

BS1234, you've been shown numerous pictures of macroscopic concrete rubble at the towers. If you think this was <<1% of the amount of concrete in the towers, please show exactly how you arrive at that number.

 

[delphi_ote]

You guys keep...

As my mom used to say, "No desert until you've eaten your vegetables, young man." You didn't finish talking about the collisions. Let's take one subject at a time.

 

[Spindrift]

You guys keep suggesting that the mass of the towers keeps within the footprint and keeps accumulating. Where is the evidence for this? What becomes of this mass next? Where did it all go?

I see no evidence that any more than a tiny fraction of those two towers stayed within the footprint. All evidence indicates that 99+% of the non-metallic mass, and a large percentage of the steel was first disintegrated then forced outside the footprint in a very violent manner. Thus we observe the inches deep powder that covered lower Manhattan "from river to river".

Where is the evidence for remaining mass within the footprint? The hi res hunt is the best. Everyone should do it.

What were you expecting, a mound of rubble 500 feet high?

Do you realize that the towers were mostly filled with AIR?

And when the towers fell all the material compacted down into a very visible pile.

Build a tower of playing cards with 3 or 4 levels. Then knock it down. Amazing how small the pile is, isn't it?

 

[delphi_ote]

What were you expecting, a mound of rubble 500 feet high?

Do you realize that the towers were mostly filled with AIR?

And when the towers fell all the material compacted down into a very visible pile.

Build a tower of playing cards with 3 or 4 levels. Then knock it down. Amazing how small the pile is, isn't it?

(And don't forget the six story basement.)

 

[LostAngeles]

*reads post. Head Splodes.*

Least I have a valid excuse for the paper not getting done, now.

"I read a CTer's post about 9/11 and my head exploded."

 

[bob_kark]

*reads post. Head Splodes.*

Least I have a valid excuse for the paper not getting done, now.

"I read a CTer's post about 9/11 and my head exploded."

If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times! Make sure you wear a helmet when you read these threads!

 

[332nd]

Or at least wrap your head in Duck Tape!