Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Architect]

Why is it an issue that you were not addressing me? I'm alawys being answered by those other than the one I respond to. i thought it was normal dysfunction fo this place.

It has always been a steel reinforced cast tubular concrete core. Do you not read?

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

You don't really know what shear walls and tubulur cores (haha) are, do you?

That's it, I'm joining the Jellyfishers.

 

[Bubbers]

but it is a challenge, no not a challenge just what you find when you follow his web site posts and find that they debunk themselves with their own references

but you are correct, each time you hit the truth the next lie tangent pops up and he then tells you there is no core, the PE of the building can't be released, etc, etc etc

It could be a thesis topic to just follow this BS

Good point. It's fairly obvious by now that they will never admit they are wrong, but for some reason many of us enjoy this. It must be the challenge factor. It might be a good idea for a new thread..."Why the hell are we doing this anymore?"

 

[Skibum]

You don't really know what shear walls and tubulur cores (haha) are, do you?

That's it, I'm joining the Jellyfishers.

Welcome, we now have two more followers than Chris does.

 

[Powa]

Count me in.

 

[Oliver]

Okay, i´m back - where´s my Jellyfish?
How much are we?

 

[Belz...]

All you need to do now is show that the horizontal bracing existed in the core area.

Well it IS plainly visible on the picture of the "core left standing".

I can show that floor beams connected the interior box columns together, but they are outside the core.

Wait a minute! You said we could SEE concrete on the remains of the core picture. You know, the one with the stairwell. You say that the concrete can be seen on the OUTSIDE of the structure because it HASN'T detonated (because of the Mohawks.) Now you're saying the columns we see there are OUTSIDE the core ? How could we see any concrete, then ?

 

[Belz...]

As I've said before, it is not fun being an mkultra victim when the evidence for the concrete core shows up.

Major cognitive dissonance WILL occur. Repeated efforts to dissociate can be very disturbing.

Again, are you a psychologist ? You DO know that this is NOT how hypnosis works, right ?

 

[Oliver]

JELLYFISHERS! WE HAVE REBELS IN HERE!

 

[Skibum]

JELLYFISHERS! WE HAVE REBELS IN HERE!

What exactly would you have us do, we are spineless afterall.

 

[Oliver]

What exactly would you have us do, we are spineless afterall.

D@MN! You´re right.

But we have hard facts on our side.

 

[Belz...]

If it wasn't for the collapse speeds being so similar, despite the differences in the applied forces and initiations, I probably wouldn't have a lot of trouble wrapping my mind around the official explanations.

Please show your calculations as to why this is odd.

As many people saw, the upper 35 floors of the South Tower tilted to over twenty degrees, an event which should have continued and broken through the damaged central core.

"Should have continued" ? How can it continue to tilt without any force to keep it going ? Once the support failed, it could only go down.

Instead of toppling over, all four walls suddenly began to collapse,

Ridiculous. Obviously, since it had started to tilt, SOME of the walls had already failed.

These core columns were three feet by one foot, and over two inches thick; and there were 47 of them in each tower, so anything that could damage them that thoroughly is pretty impressive.

Gotta hand it to gravity.

The dust cloud generated was also amazing. Apparently the concrete in the floor pans was being pulverized as the building fell, not when it hit the ground.

Is that so surprising ? Many huge floors were falling onto it.

That whole process was over in less than ten seconds. I think FEMA had it clocked at 8.5 seconds. I'll have to look that up again. It works out to over 7 floors per second, starting at the collapse point.

Over-simplification. Plus, we can't see the whole collapse on the videos.

It was like the wall were made out of particle board. I would have expected the upper 10 floors to be destroyed by the impact at the same rate as the rest of the structure, but it just kept rumbling down. I guess the equal and opposite reaction thing doesn't apply for collapsing buildings.

Since the whole thing was cloaked in smoke, I doubt you're able to show that the top section wasn't destroyed as it went down.

If the steel hadn't been rushed off to Asia without a thorough forensic analysis, the government would look so suspicious.

That's a lie. It was analysed.

As for the question about why so many physicists and engineers are going along with whatever the official story of the month is, just consider how important it is for universities and corporations to be on the good side of government. Endowments and contracts are not easy things to come by.

Speculation. 3000 dead people on your conscience ? For a few bucks ? I doubt it.

 

[Oliver]

He must be Christopheras twin brother!

 

[Belz...]

So each piece was forensically examined to determine why the fireproofing was gone?

You don't need to examine the WHOLE thing, you know. Your standard of evidence if laughable.

How much of the central core was recovered? Where are the records of the examination results on this steel located?

Might want to read the official report, then.

The 9/11 attacks showed civil engineers that they did not know how to protect buildings from fire damage. If the official explanation is true, virtually every steel-framed building is in danger of collapsing within a couple of hours from fire damage.

You might have missed the two 767s that crashed into the buildings.

My take was that the central column design was flawed because it restricted escape routes to the center of the building. This is why so many people were trapped in the North Tower.

That and the huge damage from the 767s you didn't see.

I have yet to see an explanation for the mechanism which caused all four walls to simultaneously fail on each building.

They didn't. See my post above.

Researching what really happened is only as easy as locating a truthful account of activities.

Uh-huh.

Nonetheless, there was not enough time to examine all pieces of evidence, as is typically done in air disasters.

Well, the cause was pretty much known. It's the mechanism that was in question.

The investigation was also limited to FEMA-approved scientists and engineers. If they have catalogued every piece of steel and performed a forensic analysis on each one, then I will apologize for my statement.

Again, your standard of evidence is laughable. Why in the blue HELL would they need to examine EVERY piece of steel ?

Again, I am going with official times, although Ihave clocked the video from a couple of news sites. There is some footage taken from across the Hudson which gives a complete view of the collapse.

Only if you have video x-ray vision like chris.

Again, my point is that there is no conclusive evidence to explain what happened to bring the towers down, conspiracy theories aside.

You might have missed the two 767s that... never mind.

I realize that there are also a number of people who want to cling to the official explanation, despite the many inconsistencies because it allows them to hate an entire ethnicity.

And which ethnicity is that ? Muslims aren't an ethnicity, by the way, just in case thay that's your answer. Personally, I just hate the people that did it, and the ones that would gladly follow in their footsteps.

There just seems to be a little hypocrisy on the standard of proof required by both sides as compared to what each will accept to support their case.

Ever heard the phrase "overwhelming evidence" ?

 

[Powa]

Christophera is starting to convince people! I'm sure agents are coming for him as we speak.

 

[Belz...]

We should all just stop posting in this thread, or at most stop replying to Christophera.

Even you, Belz...

No, In my opinion only Oliver should stop posting in this thread.

He's the only person I've ever put on ignore, and he's not even a nutter.

 

[Oliver]

Christophera is starting to convince people! I'm sure agents are coming for him as we speak.

Well, Christophera is the smaller problem. The bigger ones are the Troll-Feeders.

 

[Oliver]

No, In my opinion only Oliver should stop posting in this thread.

He's the only person I've ever put on ignore, and he's not even a nutter.

Oooooh yes, Sir. In here i am a nutter!

 

[Belz...]

So typical. You say it cannot be seen but then do not explain what it is while it is oviously visible.

Again, a 1 pixel wide structure at that distance CANNOT be identified.

About the gravitational release of the 248 tons of TNT energy without reason. You haven't provided a history for this phenomena and I've asked you before.

GRAVITY. It can be impressive, sometimes.

Your aerial image does not show steel columns in the core.

Isn't it convenient to ignore what you can plainly see ?

Mine is closer and has the "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" annotated.

It's not CLOSER, chris. It's zoomed from the SAME IMAGE. And the fact that YOU've annotated it doesn't help YOU.

 

[Belz...]

Oliver,

I'm going to take a page out of Hammegk's book and call you a post-whore.

I don't think a single one of your posts for the last 10 pages has said anything useful. Hopefully the lurkers and fence-sitters have you ALSO on ignore.

 

[uruk]

here is another youtube vid.
It's done by a CTr so expect some lunacy. But it shows a steel core.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otoh2pJpgY8