What We Saw - Bob & Bri (Not what we heard)

[Pardalis]

What do you mean?

 

[LashL]

LashL,

I have been challenged here and always do my best to respond.

Fair enough, and I have consistently given you the benefit of the doubt because I think that you are a cut above most of the CTers, but some of your responses here have been rather, well, lame, sorry to say. I'm perfectly willing to hear you out if you wish to expand upon them, but some of them have been so knee-jerk that I've been surprised. (The recent ones on this thread are good examples. Your responses on other threads were, in my view, much better, much more openminded and not knee-jerk CT responses. I'm surprised, though, at your posts in this paticular thread and the thinly veiled accusations that you've made without justification.)

I do not have a significant direct knowledge base on the towers. So then, this is not a place where one can learn? It seems if the "solution" to me being a CT is to learn - I am trying. Correct?

I'm not sure that you are trying hard enough. It seems that you are more often reverting to the CT mindset rather than try to think for yourself, and rather than assessing the facts and evidence, unfortunately. Perhaps this topic is a sticking point for you, I don't know, but your posts here seem to be out of sync with looking for actual facts and evidence, and more in line with suspecting everyone and anyone of wrongdoing without any evidence that they have done so.[/QUOTE]

I would be glad to provide clear sound footage to correspond to Rick's video. That was my hope in this new video - but it was missed, dissolved or editied during the critical times.

I would be equally glad to see you provide clear footage to correspond to "Rick's video" or otherwise, but I don't view the the fact that you cannot as evidence of a vast conspiracy. See the difference? In the real world, not everything is caught on tape, not everything is presented in Perry Mason or CSI fashion, and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. In the real world, we have to deal with .. um... reality.

What I am saying is that in all of the footage I am aware of regarding the tower collapses I have not seen one that had good sound for the same time frames. I was wondering if anybody could link me to one.

See above.

In the absence of such footage I would have to defer to eyewitness acounts which as we both know support Rick's video more than not.

Please, do not include me in your view of what amounts to proper or sufficient evidence unless and until I explicitly agree with you, which, in this case, I have not. If you think that "Rick's video" is the best source of eyewitness accounts and that you therefore rely upon it, I have to say that you haven't done near enough research.

 

[gumboot]

Gumboot,

So it is OK to accuse Rick Siegel or somebody of faking that video but not for me to inquire of the new video?

What evidence is there for the faking of that video?

Russell

I don't know who played with the sound on that video. Someone did though. I can tell they did. They didn't do a very good job.

I believe I've said it is possible that this new video was purposefully edited with dissolves to hide footage. I merely don't see what this video alone could reveal that would make any difference.

It's worth pointing out that this new video does not include messages written on the screen which

A) Distort the truth and mislead audiences
B) Push a particular agenda

-Gumboot

 

[Moving On]

Gumboot,

It is very OBVIOUS they have been faked as well. The sound on the recording has clearly been fiddled with - as evident by the corresponding change in the radio voices.

I just listened to this again and don't hear any change in the radio sound.

Is the radio live or overlayed?

Russell

 

[Pardalis]

Here we go again.

Did we hit a sore spot?

All the heavyweights show up and distract a thread again?

I do pay attention to what subjects push buttons.

Hmmmmmmmmmm...........

What did you mean by that?

 

[gumboot]

Gumboot,



I just listened to this again and don't hear any change in the radio sound.

Is the radio live or overlayed?

Russell

According to the blurb the radio is live. They certainly increase the volume on the lower end. I would need to drop the track into Audition to determine exactly what was done to it, and frankly I don't care enough. I know it has been played with. Even if I couldn't tell from just hearing this version (I can) I would know anyway because I have heard it previously without the sound fiddling.

It's fake.

-Gumboot

 

[Moving On]

I have just looked through a couple of fairly exhaustive collections of WTC videos. I have not found any footage that starts 9 seconds prior to the collapses that includes the same time frame as Rick's video with sound.

Am I missing something?

 

[Pardalis]

I have just looked through a couple of fairly exhaustive collections of WTC videos. I have not found any footage that starts 9 seconds prior to the collapses that includes the same time frame as Rick's video with sound.

Am I missing something?

Apparently 9 seconds.

 

[Moving On]

I don't know who played with the sound on that video. Someone did though. I can tell they did. They didn't do a very good job.

I believe I've said it is possible that this new video was purposefully edited with dissolves to hide footage. I merely don't see what this video alone could reveal that would make any difference.

It's worth pointing out that this new video does not include messages written on the screen which

A) Distort the truth and mislead audiences
B) Push a particular agenda

-Gumboot

The new video alone, had it covered the critical time frames, could have had audio to confirm the presence or absence of explosions.

The new video in conjunction with Rick's video could give us a ton of information.

It appears right now just from estimated time references in each video that some of Rick's other recording of loud sounds may also correspond to dissolves in the new video. For this to be properly documented it will take the full release of the new video.

"You can tell it was faked" is not something you would accept from me.

I agree with you 100% that the helicopter conspiracies, the narration and imposition of ideas in Rick's video is detracting from the raw undissolved footage.

Russell

 

[Moving On]

What did you mean by that?

Oh - it is my observation that when people use distraction, name calling or anything along those lines it usually indicates an area of weakness in their beliefs.

 

[gumboot]

"You can tell it was faked" is not something you would accept from me.

I would if you had expertise in the matter at hand.

Others on this site have even more expertise than me in this field. Hopefully they will drop by and have a listen.

-Gumboot

 

[Pardalis]

Russell, do you hear any explosions here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZUgKNsc4CM

 

[Pardalis]

Oh - it is my observation that when people use distraction, name calling or anything along those lines it usually indicates an area of weakness in their beliefs.

What distracting, name calling or anything along those lines have I done?

What is my weakness?

 

[Moving On]

Pardalis,

No I don't hear any explosions in that one.

The camera does shake though about 10 seconds before the collapse.

Now I have to say the sound in that one is weird. Listen to the very end of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZUgKNsc4CM

How far away was that taken?

Russell

P.S. I was referring to the old tree in the woods story.

 

[Gravy]

Gravy,

Why don't you share your reply with us?

Russell

I think you are a coward.

You ran from my questions, which were raised by your statements, are not trick questions, do not require further delibration, and are not going away. You are still running. Clear enough?

Was I uncivil to you in that thread? Did I not take the time to answer your questions and back my statements with evidence?

What are you afraid of, Russell? Any search for truth requires facing tough questions. They aren't going away.

 

[Pardalis]

No I don't hear any explosions in that one.

So what does that tell you?

The camera does shake though about 10 seconds before the collapse.

Could be anything, someone bumped the tripod, the camera... anything.

Now I have to say the sound in that one is weird. Listen to the very end of it?

Explain "weird"

I think we hear helicopters.

How far away was that taken?

How should I know. It's shot with a telephoto lens, so it could be from quite a distance, but it's clearly shot closer than your other viveo from across the river.

So what does that tell you?

 

[Pardalis]

What distracting, name calling or anything along those lines have I done?

What is my weakness?

So?

 

[Moving On]

LashL,

Do you have a specific example of a knee jerk reaction or the appearance of me not seeking information from this thread? You can just link me to the post.

I feel very relaxed and open.

Russell

 

[LashL]

LashL,

Do you have a specific example of a knee jerk reaction or the appearance of me not seeking information from this thread? You can just link me to the post.

Yes, see your posts between #1 and #80 on this thread for examples.

 

[Pardalis]

Russell, in the video I linked, you recognized not hearing explosions. What does that tell you?