Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Oliver]

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[Belz...]

I've shown the towers had different hallway schemes and that there is a better explanation for all the evidence considered for concrete core that there is for steel which is never seen in the core.

Shown ?

And you might want to check those diagrams again. There WERE steel columns within the core and others in the perimeter.

The below image proves there was an explosion.

It might help me if you told us HOW it proves there was an explosion.

concrete blowing up

Again, how do you know ?

It is known that 150,000 Americans were influenced in some way psychologically and they were very likely not aware of it.

Known ?

The steel inside the core is too small for core columns proportionately and how are they connected?

We see pretty well how they were connected in the picture. Seems you're not so good with CLEAR pictures as you are with bad ones.

 

[Belz...]

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Oliver, if you have nothing to say, then please say nothing. Spamming threads with smileys and music and other nonsense doesn't help us, no matter how frustrating chris can get, and it annoys the hell out of me. Either debate or leave, please.

 

[Belz...]

Are you actually that stupid or are you being purposefully obtuse?

Well, chris is the one who looked at a diagram of what an elevator system looks like, saw some yellow background and proclaimed that THAT was the concrete core, though it was quickly shown to him that it wasn't a diagram from the WTC...

 

[Oliver]

Oliver, if you have nothing to say, then please say nothing. Spamming threads with smileys and music and other nonsense doesn't help us, no matter how frustrating chris can get, and it annoys the hell out of me. Either debate or leave, please.

Okay, since christophera has nothing to say i leave with him.

 

[Oliver]

I´m not kidding. If he leaves with me i will leave the thread also known as "the thread that says nothing".

If the admins make it a sticky one it´s easy to me to ignore it like the other sticky threads that don´t jump up and down all the time in front of my nose telling me: "Here i am - the guy that laughs at you and your "i can´t hear" evidence".

 

[bonavada]

I gotta know - how did Mohawks get involved?

it's been a long old haul but here goes..............
chris claims to have interviewed a mohawk ironworker who helped construct the towers (who btw seems to have been working there at least 3 years before constuction of the towers began). anyway, according to our chris, this windwalking fellow was very reticent about the whole deal. becoming terrified when chris even hinted at a concrete core. it seems the steel workers were sent packing for extended periods while special NYPA operatives painted a special coating onto the rebar supposedly used in the "concrete core". these mohawks apparently fear for their lives if they blab about anything to do with the "core". but strangely this same terrified individual must have told him that mohawks sabotaged the work of the secret rebar police. this is chris' explanation of why some of the rebar didn't detonate during the collapse.

RAW IMAGE ALERT:

Big Chief Christophera...him say C4rebar good. kill um buffalo mighty quick......


BV

 

[alexg]

it's been a long old haul but here goes..............
chris claims to have interviewed a mohawk ironworker who helped construct the towers (who btw seems to have been working there at least 3 years before constuction of the towers began). anyway, according to our chris, this windwalking fellow was very reticent about the whole deal. becoming terrified when chris even hinted at a concrete core. it seems the steel workers were sent packing for extended periods while special NYPA operatives painted a special coating onto the rebar supposedly used in the "concrete core". these mohawks apparently fear for their lives if they blab about anything to do with the "core". but strangely this same terrified individual must have told him that mohawks sabotaged the work of the secret rebar police. this is chris' explanation of why some of the rebar didn't detonate during the collapse.

RAW IMAGE ALERT:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/8748453cb32ce9391.jpg
Big Chief Christophera...him say C4rebar good. kill um buffalo mighty quick......


BV

I pity you Chris!

Why not just say you have a Martian in your bedroom sir?

 

[uruk]

The steel inside the core is too small for core columns proportionately and how are they connected?

Oh, btw, here is an image of

concrete blowing up​

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The steel inside the core is to support the wieght of the service floors, stairwells, elevator winches and shafts, etc. The core box cloumns in conjunction with the exterior steel facade cloumns supported the office space floors and the building itself. Thats what they meant by a "tube-within-a-tube" design. The steel coumns that are inside the core are embedded in the ground just like the box columns the are also braced with each other and to the box columns.

 

[bonavada]

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BV

 

[Bell]

Your statement is incongruent with the facts put forth. From your side there has been zero fact supporting the steel core, from mine is raw evidence showing that NO steel core columns existed, and there is significant evidence for those having the expertise to properly identify structural steel and concrete of varying damage, to absolutely identify concrete.

Get real, you can't even find a bogus site to link to that "says" it uses raw evidence of the steel core columns to substantiate their existence. Nobody is stupid enough to try and use the images together.

The selectively utilized construction photos and (3) plans must be kept completely separate from images showing the core area during the demo because it will be obvious that none are there.

Your observations are disillusional to say the least. We have shown you a dozen of photo's with steel core columns, more steel core columns and hella lot steel core columns. You have shown us NO evidence that CONCLUSIVLY PROOFS the cores where made of concrete. The more evidence we show you, the wackier your theories get. Concrete poored some floors below the highest point reached by the building at the moment? Delayed explosives? What next? Maybe the 20 Dollar bill which depicts the attacks?

You have NO idea what RAW evidence* means. It isn't a small blurry picture, it isn't a wrongly drawn diagram published by the BBC the day after 9/11. It isn't a bogus documentary nobody but you saw. RAW evidence, get real man. The only bogus site I find that claims 'RAW' evidence, is here. It is so stupid, it's funny.

More funny.

And 3" rebar on 4' centering? Coated with C4, using Cold War self destruction systems? We're not living in Ian Flemming's world, you know?

Christ, Chris. Either get help, or stop this performing art. It is getting stale.

* Is RAW evidence even a real expresion?

 

[uruk]

Okay, sudden vision problem? Then try this one, we have lots,

concrete blowing up​

That's dust, fiber glass, shattered sheet rock, insulation and concrete coming down.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/
The concrete and other material was reduced to dust and smaller particles not by explosive but by siesmic force that are caused by stressed and failing steel. Not ment the forces caused by colliding materials.
http://www.ndt.net/article/v07n09/09/09.htm

if you were to look at the video rather than a still image you would notice that the material is being blown sideways by the air being pushed aside by the falling debris and then downward by gravity+momentum.
The dust trails near the center of the building is being drawn down by the vacum caused by the debris collapsing near the core thus giving the trails an downward arc near the center.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVDaAufKnLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO2cQOC7hxY

notice in the videos how the center sucks down and causes the dust trails to appear to have an upward arc

 

[Powa]

More funny.

Holy *beep*! Chris, your crazy is really branching out, isn't it?

* Is RAW evidence even a real expresion?

Yes, but I'm yet to see Christopher's definition. He says he explained it but I must have missed it.

 

[Bell]

Yes, but I'm yet to see Christopher's definition. He says he explained it but I must have missed it.

Could you spare me a minute? It's somewhere in this thread. I'll look it up.

 

[JollyRoger]

I believer the Idea behind a conspiracy is to put the truth out their and then disprove it from another direction.

 

[Powa]

Could you spare me a minute? It's somewhere in this thread. I'll look it up.

Maybe it's on page 22?

 

[Arus808]

If this is not raw evidence, what is?

I already explained to you what raw evidence is.

If that is not a 17 x 30 foot block of concrete what is it?

Not anything you are claiming them to be, because yOU can't determine any size in that heavily compressed and edited image.

 

[Bell]

Maybe it's on page 22?

Hmmm... let's see. Here?

There is http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/.site1106.jpgand it is inside the outer steel framework. It is ripping the framework apart after the interior box columns are cut. The plumes of concrete debri go out over the floors after the floors detonate, and hide the floors below detonating. Except in the linked case of premature detonations

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383

within the scheme of the delays and paths of the detonation circuits.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1232703

Or here?

Oxford encyclopedia of Technology and Inovation that was published in 1992

Here?

Sure I've looked at them and I've told you the core is below the top of the tower by 7 floors. I've told you that light passes through the hallways.

How come the multiple steel columns are not silhouetted? If such existed there would be a phase where one could look through the floors and see them in the core area.

The Concrete cores had hallways, WTC 2 more than 1. WTC 1 was hard to rent out because access thru the core was so bad.

Still not one image of the supposed steel core columns from the demolition at some elevation, like here.

Here?

Perhaps you should take a course in disinformation. Try misrepresenting images such as Gravey does, more effective.

More here.

This


Does not consitutute "addressing" an image which has an absolutely distinct quality in the realm of construction.

How's 'bout here?

Ya' seen lots of demo videos and many dynamite/detcord blasts. Ya' they make smoke.

Your soul will smoke in hell if you keep supporting lies that murders hide behind.

Now, it must be here?

My evidence disqualifies me, I'm of the lowly "truth" crowd and use facts with reason.

Oh, worst of all I do it because it will protect life, our rights, our freedoms, our liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Do you know the GREATER meaning of free speech quack?

Damn!

Check the delays and paths section of my page,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1232703

i understand delay systems for demolition and how to control the descent of a structure, generally. Using videos, still and eyewitness testimony from firefighters and others I am able to fit the WTC event together with great consistency.

Here is an email I received from a demo contractor of 30 years experience.


Subject:*
deception achieved
Date:*
Wed, 24 May 2006 22:43:27 -0700

Awesome work, very well presented with great links. I am a demolition contractor for 30 years and it all fits and always believed this was the case.Now there needs to be the rest of the story.

An eyewitness describes explosions in the basement.

PHILLIP MORELLI
http://www.gallerize.com/153 WINDY TOWERS OF 9-11 Four-Dateien/image001.jpg

Construction worker in the WTC Phillip Morelli (37 years old on 9-11-1) describes being thrown to the ground by two explosions while in the fourth subbasement of the North Tower.* The first, which threw him to the ground and seemed to coincide with the plane crash, was followed by a larger blast that again threw him to the ground and this time blew out walls.* He then made his way to the South Tower and was in the subbasement there when the second plane hit, again associated with a powerful underground blast.* This is one of a series of* interviews with WTC survivors done by NY1 News:** ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html
(source

Here?

The WTC towers had a aluminum facia over the steel perimeter box columns.

I did not scan that. seatnineb from democraticunderground did. He found it in the UK. I know the towers core was concrete, why should I doubt it or be reluctant to use even though it is not the best documention?

I have plenty of other evidence to show that steel core columns did not exist and some of it show the core or parts of it. There is theconcrete shear wall Or the Top of WTC 2 core falls onto WTC 3. Of course if you do not know steel and concrete construction this information may not be of much use to you. Perhasp you could gain an education or consult with a contractor/engineer generally about the appearance of steel and concrete during collapse and other conditions.

It's gotta be here!

I've edited the post to make it clearer.

Nope. Nope, it's not on page 22. I'll continue looking.

 

[Oliver]

Is this christopheras trash?

http://truthasaur.com/index.html

 

[Powa]

Nope. Nope, it's not on page 22. I'll continue looking.

But, but... 22 is a significant number for Chris! Must be that damn disinfos! They constantly edit this thread to make Chris appear crazy. Damn, they're good!