Star Wars Beam Weapon and the WTC Bathtub

[Horatius]

yes, i think it would be out of the question, they wouldnt risk exposing secret projects for something as simple as crashing a plane into the towers

BTW heres 2 more black aircraft
[qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/X-32_X-35_Cdp_misc_004.jpg[/qimg]

Can I just say that the one on the left is one of the ugliest planes I've ever seen? What the h#ll is that thing?

 

[Brainache]

Can I just say that the one on the left is one of the ugliest planes I've ever seen? What the h#ll is that thing?

I think it looks like Stimpy from "Ren and Stimpy"

 

[David Wong]

Can I just say that the one on the left is one of the ugliest planes I've ever seen? What the h#ll is that thing?

It's the other prototype that was in the running for the Joint Strike Fighter program, the one made by Boeing. It lost.

 

[Belz...]

One of the problems is that there is no significant rubble at WTC. About 20% of the steel, and about 1% (at most) of the concrete.

That's the funniest quote of the day.

Mkay, so I take it most JREFers think the U.S. military does possess secret weapons.

One positive answer, and you think most JREFers agree. Well, that's Killtown allright.

Now hypothetically speaking, if -- IF -- 9/11 was an inside job, would it be out of the question that the military used any of their secret weapons to help pull it off?

No, but your premise is false.

 

[David Wong]

Hypthetically speaking, if - IF - Killtown was a cyborg sent by Al Qaeda to deflect blame and undermine the U.S. government, is it out of the question that he would come here and spout conspiracy theories?

That's a terrible use of logic.

 

[Horatius]

It's the other prototype that was in the running for the Joint Strike Fighter program, the one made by Boeing. It lost.

This almost makes me believe in god, that he would keep such an abomination out of the air....What were they thinking?

 

[Horatius]

One of the problems is that there is no significant rubble at WTC. About 20% of the steel, and about 1% (at most) of the concrete.

Oh, and while I'm at it, please either stop making this claim, or explain, in detail, what you don't like about my calculations. This isn't rocket science, you know. Someone who's as smart as you think you are should be able to point out something in there to support his assertions, don't you think?

 

[CurtC]

So is TS1234 actually Morgan Reynolds?

That's an interesting speculation. I'm not that familiar with Reynolds' writing, but from what I've seen, it's sure intriguing.

We need the computer program from that guy who figured out that Primary Colors was written by Joe Klein, and 'Twas The Night Before Christmas was written by Livingston.

 

[azazal]

Just finihshed reading the linked site in the OP, lets me try these out

 

[bjb]

You guys are confusing black projects with secret projects. A secret project can be known to the public, like the Joint Strike Fighters in the photographs. Those are also secret programs because the details (system capabilities, specs, performance numbers, etc.) are secret. A 'black' project is different because the public does not even know of its existance. The conspiracy nutjobs like to play the 'black project' card because they can pretend any kind of weapon exists to do whatever they please. It's the equivalent of saying 'Goddidit' to plug up the holes in your arguement.

The Airborne Laser program is the closest thing we have to a Death Star. It is meant to shoot down a missile but even if it were operational, it would not be able to disintegrate a building.

 

[Hellbound]

You guys are confusing black projects with secret projects. A secret project can be known to the public, like the Joint Strike Fighters in the photographs. Those are also secret programs because the details (system capabilities, specs, performance numbers, etc.) are secret. A 'black' project is different because the public does not even know of its existance. The conspiracy nutjobs like to play the 'black project' card because they can pretend any kind of weapon exists to do whatever they please. It's the equivalent of saying 'Goddidit' to plug up the holes in your arguement.

The Airborne Laser program is the closest thing we have to a Death Star. It is meant to shoot down a missile but even if it were operational, it would not be able to disintegrate a building.

THere was a ground-based version of this being worked on, as well, but I believe it's being scrapped. It can't maintain the laser on target long enough to blow the missile reliably (aircraft can see it at a much longer range, and maintain laser targeting for a longer time). ALthough, now that think about it, the ground-based on may have been intended for artillery. Same point, though.

Think about that, some of the best lasers we have need time to cause a highly volatile explosive warhead to detonate...yet somehow can demolish an entire conrete and steel building (vaporize, if CTers are to be believed) in seconds?

Pull the other one!

 

[Horatius]

Think about that, some of the best lasers we have need time to cause a highly volatile explosive warhead to detonate...yet somehow can demolish an entire conrete and steel building (vaporize, if CTers are to be believed) in seconds?

Pull the other one!

Yeah, but don't you see, that's how intricate and well-planned the whole thing is! They spent billons on worthless lasers, just to convince you they're worthless, so you wouldn't believe in the existence of the Inviso-Building-Disinta-Ray!

And you fell for it!!!! HA!!

Fear the IBDR!

 

[bjb]

Here's a wiki article about the Airborne Laser Project:

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/mission.html

Here are some interesting quotes from the article:

The ABL doesn't burn through a missile, or disintegrate it. Rather it heats the missile skin, weakening it and causing failure due to flight stresses.

Effective use against ground targets seems very unlikely. Aside from the difficulty of acquiring and tracking a ground target, firing downward through the dense atmosphere would significantly weaken the beam. Also, most ground targets are not fragile enough to damage with a megawatt-class laser.

So even that giant megawatt laser can't actually destroy anything from a distance. At best it weakens the metal skin of the missile and causes it to fail from flight stresses. In other words, the laser isn't hot enough to melt steel! Sound familiar? It is also interesting that the laser's strength is lost through the atmospere. It is meant to be used from a high-flying 747 against a high-flying missile and atmospheric absorbtion is not as big of a problem.

There have been studies of various space-based lasers. During the 80's, there were even some underground tests of an X-ray laser that was fired by a small nuclear device. Maybe this is where the idea of a death satellite came from (also seen in an episode of X-Files). Even if there were an operational SBL right now, it still wouldn't be able to bring down a large building. At best, they are designed to be used against satellites, ballistic warheads, and other exoatmospheric targets. Atmospheric absorbtion would prevent such a weapon from being used against ground targets.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Can I just say that the one on the left is one of the ugliest planes I've ever seen? What the h#ll is that thing?

its the boeing x-32, youll be happy to know the design chosen to go into production was the lockheed x-35 on the right, lol

 

[Bell]

its the boeing x-32, youll be happy to know the design chosen to go into production was the lockheed x-35 on the right, lol

Actually, when I saw the documentary about the race to win the defense contract on National Geographic (or was it Discovery?) I thought it looked pretty cool. A still image doesn't do it justice.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Actually, when I saw the documentary about the race to win the defense contract on National Geographic (or was it Discovery?) I thought it looked pretty cool. A still image doesn't do it justice.

I think the show was on Nova. In the UK, I think Nova is called Horizons.

 

[rwguinn]

"Drs. Wood and Reynolds complete their thesis in public view. They note that the Kingdome demolition created a 2.3 richter earthquake, and point out that WTC had many times the PE, and should have caused a much larger earthquake than the 2.3, and 2.1 quakes that were actually measured."

This actually makes sense, and goes against the controlled demolition theory. In controlled demolition, the bottom support would have been taken out, and the entire building would have dropped, hitting the ground with it's full weight in a very short amount of time (I'm just guessing here, but I'd say roughly the time for the building to drop one story). This would have created a much larger impact to register. As was mentioned earlier, the Ricter scale is a measure of peak vibration. The measurements you've presented here would appear to be reasonably consistent with the buildings collapsing from the top down, where the destruction was spread over a relatively long period of time, with no real "impacts" other than when the top floors first collapsed.

An analogy: Drop 20 gallons of water on your head and you'll be knocked flat on your back, pour 20 gallons of water on your head over ~5 seconds, you're just going to get wet.

If I get the time, I'll work out the physics of it and post it so you can work it out for yourself. After all, you shouldn't just take my word for it!




Long live the DNRC!

Absolutely correct.
The total energy is the area under the curve--not the peak value.
And you guys always said Integral Calculus was a waste of time!

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Can I just say that the one on the left is one of the ugliest planes I've ever seen? What the h#ll is that thing?

Now let's not dis ugly airplanes.

Take the A-10 for example. That plane will never win any beauty contests. But the air force said; "Hey, we need a plane that @#$%s up tanks". The Fairchild engineers responded with "Ok, we'll start with the main tank-@#$%er-upper and then proceed with the rest of the design from there". What came after was a beautiful example of form following function, a fugly plane that @#$%s up tanks like nothing else.

The Beoing team derves credit for being willing to go fugly.

 

[Taarkin]

Bevel Lemelisk was in Skull and Bones.
It's true

 

[Horatius]

Now let's not dis ugly airplanes.

Take the A-10 for example. That plane will never win any beauty contests. But the air force said; "Hey, we need a plane that @#$%s up tanks". The Fairchild engineers responded with "Ok, we'll start with the main tank-@#$%er-upper and then proceed with the rest of the design from there". What came after was a beautiful example of form following function, a fugly plane that @#$%s up tanks like nothing else.

The Beoing team derves credit for being willing to go fugly.

Now dem's fightin' words! The A-10 is a beauty of a plane. That other monstrosity looks like a smiling bullfrog or something......

ETA: See what I mean? http://ftp.k2.net/misc/pic/a-10.jpg