Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

slickcat said:
Are you quoting Yoda now?
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Oh Yoda must have studied under Jesus, at least that's who I am quoting here in Matt 7:12-14...
"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

oh and here's another great passage in Luke 13:23-25...
And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them, "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
 
kurious_kathy said:
oh and here's another great passage in Luke 13:23-25...
And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them, "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
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Interestingly, this seems to suggest that seeking is not enough. This is in direct contradiction to all you have said about "all you have to do is open your heart". According to Luke, God has to open up to you, and he doesn't do it unless he already knows you. That God fellow is a mean, snobbish bastard.
 
slingblade said:
Not to be confused with Devastation Peter, Havoc Thaddeus, Ruination Matthew, or Retribution Simon, just a few of the "Disciples of DOOM" action figure collection.

(Batteries not included, accessories sold separately.)
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:D
 
There are those who know the path, others that walk the path, and others like KK who do neither.

Paul

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kurious_kathy said:
"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
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So God creates lots of people, only so that a few can have eternal non-torture, and the rest will suffer forever for what happened in just one very short life?

kurious_kathy said:
"Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
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So, God, who supposedly knows everything, does not know where sinners are from? So much for knowing everything. I guess he really does not know what happens in the hearts of people. Which leads to either he does not know his own creation, or he did not create people.

More and more, God sounds like some heartless bastard.
 
Does this count as Kathy actually addressing an issue that was brought up previously, that is those of us who did seek God's love and were never answered? Or is this too much of a stretch?
 
HA HAh <-- that is my humor self now, slingblade's post made it :-)

Have any of you seen the little "action figures" that you can buy? The librarian, the Mozart, the Shakespeare, the Freud? I saw them in Archie McPhee catalog but also first glimpsed them in a very alternative store in Providence, RI. A neat idea.

I would propose a very modern sort of collectible thing, in a plastic box, like the McFarlane ones. Make sure that the iconography is right. Paul has the key, right? In the old Gothic cathedrals. St. Sebastian is usually naked, poked by spears. Somebody else has a bird, someone else is usually pointing at a book, it's really important to know who these characters in the story are--I'm embarassed when I go to these churches and museums as a rather atheistic/secular American and recognize the depth of symbolism. I read Eco so that helps. "The Name of the Rose" has a wild passage talking about the sculpture above a church door. Hesse also does this in "Narziss and Goldmund."
 
kurious_kathy said:
God loves everyone, but we all must repent if we want to be saved. And I don't know why talking about love should make anyone hostile. Love comes from God so if you have a love problem, I guess it's because you don't know Him. I on the other hand do so I will not quit sharing Jesus with others.
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Keep in mind that this is the same burning "love" the "witches" in Salem and elsewhere had the great fortune to experience. Religious types often do irrational things in the name of "love", i.e. killing someone's earthly body to ostensibly save their immortal soul, that seem a tad odd and antisocial to non-believers. Perhaps this is why your subjective "love" doesn't generate the warm fuzzies in other, less-indoctrinated people as often as you might like.
 
Okay, another bumper sticker I saw once. This could also be a repeat, in fact I'm not absolutely sure I didn't already post it, but I don't think so:

"Jesus Had a Really Bad Weekend For You"

Also saw once:

"Nothing Fails Like Prayer"
 
TheAntiLuddite said:
Keep in mind that this is the same burning "love" the "witches" in Salem and elsewhere had the great fortune to experience. Religious types often do irrational things in the name of "love", i.e. killing someone's earthly body to ostensibly save their immortal soul, that seem a tad odd and antisocial to non-believers. Perhaps this is why your subjective "love" doesn't generate the warm fuzzies in other, less-indoctrinated people as often as you might like.
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Gods Love beter known as Agape is bigger than most peoples idea of what love should be. Have you ever really investigated what Agape is?
 
Obsequious said:
Does this count as Kathy actually addressing an issue that was brought up previously, that is those of us who did seek God's love and were never answered? Or is this too much of a stretch?
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Well I still don't believe anyone who seeks God earnestly with faith is dissappointed. Maybe it's more a faith issue that needs to be in question.

I had faith so even from the pit of despair Jesus saved me! And scripture says all that ask receive so I suggest you seek Him again.
 
Posted elsewhere by me,

Its the bible cook book, yes for $19.99 you too can own the bible cook book, and enjoy making god say anyway you want in anyway you want him to say it. Now, you too will have so many ways to cook up BS, anyway you want and at the same time make it all work for you. Now any sin you can think of there is now a recipe for you and you too can have all the forgiveness you need and as a bonus you can also cook up anything you want to condemn anyone or anything you want too. In addition, as a bonus, god will not, in your lifetime tell everyone that you are just so full of it. What’s more if you order in the next 10 minute get the cross (with or without Jesus), it helps you slice and dice the bible into even more unbelievable BS than you could ever hope for, and at the same time makes god look like is behind you. Yes all this for just $19.99. :D

Paul

Plus shipping and handling and taxes where appropriate.


:) :) :)
 
kurious_kathy said:
Have you ever even read a Bible? Or better yet the New Testament?
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I have read the entire Bible from front to back, both Old Testament and New Testament. I have read all about the genocide, the support of rape, the selling of daughters, the throwing the "heathen" into eternal suffering, the treatment of women, how women are supposed to be subservient to men, and how the world was created in only six days and that bats are birds.

I have read about how God constantly kills people that he does not like, over and over again, how he hardens people's hearts, and then condemns them, even though he was who harden their hear in the first place.

I could list over a thousand atrocities here that are in the Bible, and all of it "God's will."

I have also read the entire Koran as well. While I do not support it at all, in fact there is a lot of bad stuff in there, it is nowhere as bad as the Bible is.
 
New testament, old testament, it doesn’t matter, they’ll use either one to make their point. When you say how bad their so-called god can be, they tell you to read the new testament, when you tell them that they shouldn’t be against gays, they point to the old testament, they’ll use whatever testament they can for their narrow outlook on universe.

Paul

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kurious_kathy said:
Well I still don't believe anyone who seeks God earnestly with faith is dissappointed. Maybe it's more a faith issue that needs to be in question.
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Ok, so you've got your conclusion chiseled out in your mind before the question is even asked...
 
kurious_kathy said:
You could not be further from the truth in this statement if you tried.

Have you ever even read a Bible? Or better yet the New Testament?
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I've read the Bible front to back, including the NT. I read it regularly. It starts with a myth which has some parts borrowed from other mythologies. (Genesis) It continues with a very questionable history of the Jews and stories of a infanticidal God who kills innocent children for the "sins" of their fathers (Exodus). It continues through lots of questionable genealogy, including stories of people living hundreds of years. It also gives lots of bizarre and hateful laws including advocating slavery and selling your children (Leviticus). The NT begins with separate and conflicting accounts of the guy they call Jesus. (the Gospels) It concludes with a nightmarish account of the second coming that makes it look like the author was on a bad drug trip, much like Coleridge's Kubla Khan (Revelations).

You see, Kathy, I read the bible with an open mind. I am not shackled by the requirement that it must all be believed. It is much more revealing that way. You, on the other hand, quote scripture which directly contradicts the points you were making, as you did recently when you cited Luke. You appear to have no understanding of what you are reading. I suspect you simply listen to and accept the interpretations of others. I say this because I have seen all of your arguments before. They are so similar to those of other "believers" that they could have come out of a cookie cutter.

So you had best be careful on these boards about accusing people of not reading the Bible. Many of us, like myself, are ex-Christians who have read much more of the bible than you, and certainly have more reading comprehension skills, as they are unfettered by mindless acceptance.
 
Here's a great "get out of jail free" card

Titus 1:15 - "To the pure, all things are pure"

So you can be into pregant teen bondage dwarf squirting sex, and as long as you are "pure" its OK.

This from a Christian forum I've been on. One guy gave as demonstration for how homosexuality was bad was that the plumbing was wrong.
I asked if, by that logic, oral and anal sex between married man and wife was also not OK. Whereapon the "To the pure, all things are pure" was offered up.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Gods Love beter known as Agape is bigger than most peoples idea of what love should be. Have you ever really investigated what Agape is?
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I'm relatively new here but I'm beginning to understand why other posters have a negative opinion of your forum responses. Your statement has absolutely nothing to do with my comment, unless (and I'm hoping this isn't the case) you're suggesting that the torch wielders were simply expressing a more primitive but equally valid manifestation of "God's love".

While the question you posed is an attempt at misdirection, I'll bite. I was raised a fundamentalist Christian and attended a number of Christian schools. I would say I'm pretty familiar with the concept of Agape as espoused by modern Christians. While commonly used to denote God's love for mankind and the brotherly love that should exist between Christians, there is another context; specifically, a loving response to a hateful act. In my original post I mentioned religious zealots burning innocent people as witches was considered a moral, godly act during that period. Your statement is asinine in this case, as the only people who could have shown Agape would have been the people being burned (i.e., forgive them for they know not what they do, etc.) not the lunatics waving the torches and counting the victims' cash.
 
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