Alex Jones and Bohemian Grove

Topspy

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OK, I know that Alex Jones is a bit ....... off, but having just viewed this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983&q=inside+bohemian+grove

I find it a bit disturbing. Not evil, just a badly produced juvenile production, but disturbing nontheless. After all, these are our leaders. Are these the qualities we want in them? Or was all this faked?

I've only viewed one other of his videos, and it was seriously demented. What's the real story on this one?
 
I agree.

It may not involve any actual sacrifice but it is clearly a mock one. The occult overtones are obvious.

People who think this is healthy should ask themselves one question. Waht would you think if you visited ur parents unnannounced and they were doing it?
 
If it is true, and I have not seen ENOUGH evidence yet to convince me, than I think it is Juvenile, the like you would see from fraternities etc...but I am not convinced it is anything more, if even, than a big party for politicians and wealthy.


While my father is dead, if he were alive, and he and mom were at "this", I would have to shake my head, and hope to god it was just a dream...lol

TAM
 
T.A.M. said:
If it is true, and I have not seen ENOUGH evidence yet to convince me, than I think it is Juvenile, the like you would see from fraternities etc...but I am not convinced it is anything more, if even, than a big party for politicians and wealthy.


While my father is dead, if he were alive, and he and mom were at "this", I would have to shake my head, and hope to god it was just a dream...lol

TAM
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What evidence would it take to convince you? Apart from Alex Jones, it seems well documented on the web and elsewhere - The Bohemiam Grove goes back quite a ways. Short of being taken there yourself as a witness (which we can probably conclude will not happen for most of us) what proof would satisfy you? This goes to the heart of my problem with this forum (only at times, for the most part I agree with opinion here) in that 'proof' seems unatainable. Circumstantial evidence, reasonable doubt, and supported conjecture are ignored or ridiculed here on a regular basis. What IS the standard of 'proof?'
 
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I would like a good quality video, verified by an independent party, with no agenda, that shows the faces of the people AJ claims are present at THE SACRAFICE ceremony, clearly and irrefutably. I have seen the video of which you speak, and the ceremony is filmed from a distance, with no verification that the ceremony is taking place where he says it is. Given my opinion of Alex Jones and his credibility, I need more than that. None of the footage of the ceremony shows any of the politicians or "stars". they are seen in the cars, going back and forth to the place etc...but not at the ceremony.

TAM
 
I don't understand what the big deal is.
I also go on an annual vacation with lots of drugs and debauchery, where a hugh wooden effigy is burned at the end. It's called Burning Man.

As far as I can tell, the Grove is just a smaller, dumber Burning Man for rich and powerful men. And THAT is the reason it's gotten so much attention, not the "occult rituals" going on there.
 
All very True. Given Alex Jones' reputation, it would take a large leap of faith to consider 'his' video conclusive. You have to admit tho that it would take an excesive amount of work to fake this video, and to what end? Publicity certainly, but these things cost money even to fake - and it would be one hell of a fakery with all those folks, whether identifiable or not. Maybe this is a "reverse CT!" Can we find some of these actors or are they all keeping mum? Given the problems one would encounter trying to pull off a stunt like this, I find it unremarkable that you don't see George W in his robes, lol. While I, too, remain somewhat sceptical, it rings true enough to creep me out......
 
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I don't understand what the big deal is.
I also go on an annual vacation with lots of drugs and debauchery, where a hugh wooden effigy is burned at the end. It's called Burning Man.

As far as I can tell, the Grove is just a smaller, dumber Burning Man for rich and powerful men. And THAT is the reason it's gotten so much attention, not the "occult rituals" going on there.
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the diff is that burning man is for young drug addled non conformist regular folk. Not the ones with their fingers on the big red button.
 
Topspy said:
All very True. Given Alex Jones' reputation, it would take a large leap of faith to consider 'his' video conclusive. You have to admit tho that it would take an excesive amount of work to fake this video, and to what end? Publicity certainly, but these things cost money even to fake - and it would be one hell of a fakery with all those folks, whether identifiable or not. Maybe this is a "reverse CT!" Can we find some of these actors or are they all keeping mum? Given the problems one would encounter trying to pull off a stunt like this, I find it unremarkable that you don't see George W in his robes, lol. While I, too, remain somewhat sceptical, it rings true enough to creep me out......
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Jones is a cult heroe, and has made considerable dollars on the backs of these films. I am not saying he doesnt believe what he has filmed, I am just saying that faking such a thing would not require so much money that he would not see a profit off the footage. For that matter, I am not saying it was faked, I am just saying it hasnt been verified as authentic. That still doesnt help with the fact that none of the big wigs are filmed AT THE CEREMONY.

TAM
 
Also the folks that just outlawed internet poker because, A: they don't play poker, and B: they can't stand the sight of someone else getting all that money.... So now everyone in the free world can play internet poker except us Americans...... Big brother is here.

By the way, do they allow women at Burning Man? Equal rights or no, apparently they are banned from Bohemian Grove. Wonder what Ms. Rice thinks of this, lol.
 
T.A.M. said:
Jones is a cult heroe, and has made considerable dollars on the backs of these films. I am not saying he doesnt believe what he has filmed, I am just saying that faking such a thing would not require so much money that he would not see a profit off the footage. For that matter, I am not saying it was faked, I am just saying it hasnt been verified as authentic. That still doesnt help with the fact that none of the big wigs are filmed AT THE CEREMONY.

TAM
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Again, Obstinate pendantic stonewalling. What is simpler? That he filmed this as claimed and that it matches known descriptions of behavior going back for ages, or that he filmed a fakery and none of his cohorts and the actors involved have come forward to admit their part? It must be a huge woo conspiricy!
 
Topspy said:
Again, Obstinate pendantic stonewalling. What is simpler? That he filmed this as claimed and that it matches known descriptions of behavior going back for ages, or that he filmed a fakery and none of his cohorts and the actors involved have come forward to admit their part? It must be a huge woo conspiricy!
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I see your point, lol...now go and repeat what you have said to every 9/11 CTer for the rest of your life.

TAM
 
So I will concede that Occam dictates that the most likely, is that Alex Jones filmed some people performing a burning Effagy (spelling) ceremony in the woods somewhere.

TAM
 
T.A.M. said:
So I will concede that Occam dictates that the most likely, is that Alex Jones filmed some people performing a burning Effagy (spelling) ceremony in the woods somewhere.

TAM
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By the way, has anyone asked to see the pyro permits, fire marshall notifications, etc. for Bohemian grove ceremonies? I did see a fire extinguisher in the video..... who inspects them? Are these folks exempt?
 
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Topspy said:
Um, No. Thank you.
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Please explain why it is okay for "drug-addled non-conformists" to hold occult rituals out in the desert, but NOT okay for a bunch of rich, powerful, old guys to hold occult rituals out in the woods.
 
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