Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[defaultdotxbe]

Under any hand held cutting condition, even mechanized which is not used in salvage, tiny gas jet lines are visable and masses of slag are generated on the opposite side of the tube.

The details of the image reveal that the face of the cut is so smooth that zooming it to the point where gas jet lines would be visible if they existed, only gets you to say "it is blurry.

Sheared & Torch Cut Columns

zooming in to the point where you would see the the "tiny gas jet lines" shows your original imjage is not detailed enough to see them to begin with

also, do you not see the masses of slag on the opposite side of th etube in the left hand picture? do explosives produce slag as well?

ETA: what kind of cut would a thermal lance leave? different from an oxy-acetelene cut? how about a plasma torch?

And here is how built in cutting charges with precision tempered steel plates were made to effect those cuts. http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383

Cutting charges built into the floors

ive already told you, c4 is not a cutting charge, and a steel plate is not used to make cuts in an actual cutting charge (the liner is generally beryllium i believe)

 

[Popeholden]

you guys should really just stop responding to this guy. he's decided to believe this despite clear and obvious evidence to the contrary. it's called "faith".

 

[Christophera]

zooming in to the point where you would see the the "tiny gas jet lines" shows your original imjage is not detailed enough to see them to begin with

We can see the granuals of gravel and smaller.

also, do you not see the masses of slag on the opposite side of the tube in the left hand picture? do explosives produce slag as well?

No slag is produced, The explosive shear happens all the way around simualtaenously most metal turns to fine powder, falling down the tube.

ive already told you, c4 is not a cutting charge, and a steel plate is not used to make cuts in an actual cutting charge (the liner is generally beryllium i believe)

A cutting charge is a specific configuration of explosives that are focused by tamping, shield or guides. Any high density high explosive can be used. You refer to Linear Shape Charges. The WTC was built before they were perfected.

Cutting charges built into the floors

 

[Christophera]

you guys should really just stop responding to this guy. he's decided to believe this despite clear and obvious evidence to the contrary. it's called "faith".

It's called evidence, and you have none for the steel core columns while the concrete core is well documented.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

 

[Oliver]

It's called evidence, and you have none for the steel core columns while the concrete core is well documented.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

Hey Chris, how could there be a core in your post-collapse pictures if the core was blown up in a controlled demolition??????

 

[defaultdotxbe]

A cutting charge is a specific configuration of explosives that are focused by tamping, shield or guides. Any high density high explosive can be used. You refer to Linear Shape Charges. The WTC was built before they were perfected.

Cutting charges built into the floors

so why dont you draw a diagram (from memory i assume) of the cutting charges built into the floors

the one in your picture there just looks like a wad of c4

and please address my questions about the appearance of cuts from a thermal lance of plasma torch compared to the oxy-acetylene cut you show

 

[Bell]

Delusion
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[...]

Although non-specific concepts of madness have been around for several thousand years, the psychiatrist and philosopher Karl Jaspers was the first to define the three main criteria for a belief to be considered delusional in his book General Psychopathology. These criteria are:
- certainty (held with absolute conviction)
- incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
- impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)

[...]

These factors have led the psychiatrist Anthony David to note that "there is no acceptable (rather than accepted) definition of a delusion". In practice psychiatrists tend to diagnose a belief as delusional if it is either patently bizarre, causing significant distress, or excessively pre-occupies the patient, especially if the person is subsequently unswayed in belief by counter-evidence or reasonable arguments.

[...]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

 

[tsig]

The one on the right yes, was but the one on the left defies any known method of steelwork,

PERIOD!​

Any known method?

I cut steel 40 years ago.

 

[uk_dave]

Any known method?

I cut steel 40 years ago.

So it was YOU!

 

[tsig]

experience with steel fabrication and the cut on the left is astounding. The first time I saw one of these columns I got goose bumps. Two years later I figured out how they were cut.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383

The Explosive Sheared (left) & Torch Cut Columns

Were the goose bumps raging?

Did the cut bleed?

Took you two years?

 

[tsig]

Warning warning danger chris roberson

So it was YOU!

Well no no one would know if it wasen't for the internet.

All of us played our small parts and kept our mouths tidy.

'Cept for Chris.

 

[Popeholden]

It's called evidence, and you have none for the steel core columns while the concrete core is well documented.

everyone else disagrees with you, from conspiracy theorists, critical thinkers, experts, even my cat, Leto.

Even he has the critical thinking skills to know that citing your own website and your own drawings as evidence is absurd.

In fact, when i showed him your "evidence" he said, "Meow! Has he contacted anyone who had a hand in designing or building the towers? Meow?" and when I said you hadn't, he defecated on my keyboard!

You owe me a new keyboard, chris.

 

[bonavada]

Anyone that can read can see that you are the conducting deception simply by reading this paragraph,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1205439

I do not say walls exploded around Pecarao, you do, then you try to assert that I do. Meaning your entire post is a fabrication and attempt at deception.

<sigh>
i now retract the slightly misleading term "around mike pecararo" it was wrong (see how easy it is to admit a mistake?) i now rephrase that to "in level C" just a minor error on my part. but, obvious to all bar you, no attempt at decepton or fabrication by me. whatever....that in no way negates the thrust of my original arguments HERE. this is just nit-picking. more sidestepping cowardice by you. you still haven't answered the original questions HERE. your reluctance to even try is indicative of your inabilty thereof.
you have been well and truly sussed mate. you are just a plain old glory-hunting bullsh1tter.


BV

 

[stateofgrace]

everyone else disagrees with you, from conspiracy theorists, critical thinkers, experts, even my cat, Leto.

I just asked my cat. He doesn't agree with you Chris.

 

[Christophera]

everyone else disagrees with you, from conspiracy theorists, critical thinkers, experts, even my cat, Leto.

Even he has the critical thinking skills to know that citing your own website and your own drawings as evidence is absurd.

In fact, when i showed him your "evidence" he said, "Meow! Has he contacted anyone who had a hand in designing or building the towers? Meow?" and when I said you hadn't, he defecated on my keyboard!

You owe me a new keyboard, chris.

Clearly, your cat has no respect for the dead and the truth of their death that will protect the living whom were loved and loved them.

 

[firecoins]

Clearly, your cat has no respect for the dead and the truth of their death that will protect the living whom were loved and loved them.

Psychic John Edward contacted the dead and they said it was a steel core.

I am getting an S. It has something to do with metal in the middle, does that make sense to you?

 

[Christophera]

<sigh>
i now retract the slightly misleading term "around mike pecararo" it was wrong (see how easy it is to admit a mistake?) i now rephrase that to "in level C" just a minor error on my part. but, obvious to all bar you, no attempt at decepton or fabrication by me. whatever....that in no way negates the thrust of my original arguments HERE. this is just nit-picking. more sidestepping cowardice by you. you still haven't answered the original questions HERE. your reluctance to even try is indicative of your inabilty thereof.
you have been well and truly sussed mate. you are just a plain old glory-hunting bullsh1tter.


BV

You are going to have to restate your questions because as far as I remember i answered them or made them superflous with the point about the walls being gone.

It is also possiblel that the "glitch" that cuts my posts off cut off the answer.

 

[Woody-]

Time to once again hang Chris with his own words and photos.

First he shows us this pic

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc.box.shear.torch.gif

What he overlooks is that if you look a little you can find a high res version of it somewhere on the internet.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzap5.html


This much larger pic show two box columns stacked on top of each other. There is a feature that is still hard to make out but is very important to this little discussion. I'll point it out here shorty but first lets look at something else Chris posted.

The interior box columns were 100% welded in place from delivered 40 foot long pieces. Essentially they were continuous 1300 foot columns when completed. Structural elements do not gain the designation as "core" without being one piece.

With that quote in mind look closely at the hi res pic I just posted. Yep, you can see weld lines along the top and bottom edges of the columns. Now it becomes clear, his "sheared" column is actually just where either the welds broke during the collapse or they were ground off during cleanup.

 

[Christophera]

Time to once again hang Chris with his own words and photos.

First he shows us this pic

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc.box.shear.torch.gif

What he overlooks is that if you look a little you can find a high res version of it somewhere on the internet.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzap5.html


This much larger pic show two box columns stacked on top of each other. There is a feature that is still hard to make out but is very important to this little discussion. I'll point it out here shorty but first lets look at something else Chris posted.

With that quote in mind look closely at the hi res pic I just posted. Yep, you can see weld lines along the top and bottom edges of the columns. Now it becomes clear, his "sheared" column is actually just where either the welds broke during the collapse or they were ground off during cleanup.

OMG!


You cannot think that is a broken weld?????


A broken weld is about the most ragged edge you can find. Utterly clueless.

ESPECIALLY if you think anyone grinds anything off in a salvage operation.

We know you are clueless, certifiable.

Contractors don't even want to grind when fabricating.

 

[Christophera]

Took you two years?

Hah!

Yes, by fall of 2002 I had remembered the basic structure from the 1990 documentary titled "The Construction of the Twin Towers? and most of the other details.

The later goose bumps were nothing compared to the initial crawly chicken skin when I remembered the "special plastic coating" on the rebar and the security measures around completing the butt weld in the 3" high tensile steel rebar.

Finally in around spring 2005 memories of the last few minutes of the documentary started to pop up. I have a photographic memory that surprises me often so when visual recall is triggered I know I've got something. That 18 minute celebratory film on the towers that is still around actually brought an image back from those last few minutes. In the 18 minute piece its a shot that lasts about 4 seconds looking out across one wide side floor with the core corner to the right of the camera. Two floors below, trussed floor panels are being swung into position from the foreground and background very quickly. When I saw it I remembered it immediately and the visual memory returned for me later easily.

The image of the smooth sheared burnt red column ends (left)