There is a logical fallacy refered to as "appeal to authority", and it's a genuine fallacy. It wasn't the most common one my students tended to use, but it's one we still had to deal with. And it's a classic.
Incorrect. It's the most common logical fallacy applied by skeptics when an expert tells them they're wrong. It is often confused with the
real fallacy: argument from questionable authority.
The problem is that it's taken on a life of its own, because so many pseudoskeptics up and ran with it, and put it on their websites. Now, other skeptics are falling for it.
It's a type of sour grapes, in my opinion.
I see this charge falsely leveled at skeptics by non-skeptics. Don't see it much from skeptics. Of course, there are those -- such as myself -- who contend that if skepticism is rigorously applied, atheism is the natural conclusion.
But that's not because I think "I'm a skeptic, skepticism is atheistic, therefore I'm an atheist."
I apprecaite that, but my point is that skepticism as a movement was not founded to push the atheist cause. There are atheist organizations to do this. However, in my role within organized skepticism, it is a daily task to remind some members of this, because they don't seem to have the initiative to just up and form their own society. Several skeptical organizations have been destroyed by this conflict.
It's not linked to a moral system. You can call humanism a "moral system" if you like, but it sure doesn't seem like one to me. In any case, anyone can apply the tools of skepticism. There's no need to be a member of the humanist club or anything.
I'm talking about skepticism as a movement. CSICOP was founded by Paul Kurtz who also founded the CFI. Skeptical Inquirer Magazine is the sister publication of Free Inquiry Magazine, which is the publication of CFI. CFI is a humanist organization.
And humanism is
explicitly a moral system. That's exactly what it is. And its formal establishment in conjunction with Skepticism was intentional in order to promote both scientific naturalism and humanism as a replacement for the worldly explanations and moral systems of religions.
And this is intentional. Look at the article in the original post: the author is saying that skepticism would capture the imagination a lot better if it has something to answer more than just technical scientific questions. It does! But lay skeptics are not aware that humanism is part of the movement.
I see posts on the JREF forum saying things like: "We should think about having something to replace the ethical and moral codes of religion, not just telling people they should drop them. Let's put our heads together and think about this." Yeah, way to reinvent the wheel.
I haven't met anyone who believes this [that science has all the answers]. My problem w/ most skeptics on this point is that they're unwilling to make certain particular rational conclusions because they believe that science, formal logic, and math define the boundaries of what can be said to be ruled out when it comes to matters of fact.
Well, we'll have to disagree on this. The confidence that science can solve all problems is a religion unto itself inside skepticism. The actual term for this belief system is 'scientism' and there is a logical fallacy tied to it called 'the naturalistic fallacy'.
This is where you're definitely wrong. There are various skeptical organizations, but they're not in a unified front.
It's true that they do generally share certain goals, such as keeping religion out of the science class, but that's not unique to them, and it only stands to reason that skeptical organizations would, say, want bogus ideas like ID not to be taught to kids on the taxpayer's dime.[/quote]
Not united, but none of them are dedicated to '******** on bibles', as The Atheist claims they should be. They almost always share the same core values of opening dialogue with non-skeptics, rather than slinging mud.
Also: my impression is that outside the organized societies, there are no goals at all. I did a quick attempt a few weeks ago to get the JREF Forum members to figure out what, exactly, they want to do, and the sound of crickets was deafening. You can't have results without action. You can't have action without a plan. You can't have a plan without objectives. JREF has these things. CSICOP has these things. CFI has these things.
I think you should come down to earth first before you try to help other people land.
I'd prefer not to get personal.
Here's something to think about: there's an active thread that's a good example -
Million Dollar Challenge
Quick synopsis (paraphrasing):
- woo posts: "why a delay with my challenge application"
- pseudoskeptics post a mix of "You're a loony" to "Hey, according to his website, he's a 911 conspiracy nut!"
- pseudoskeptics post "Then he's a total loony - hey, you're a total loony!"
- skeptic posts "Actually, his website says he debated against 911 conpiracies"
- pseudoskeptic posts "I emailed his employer, and they say the organization he claims to be a member of doesn't exist anymore - he's a liar!"
- woo posts "the organization has changed names - here's the official website"
- skeptic posts "James Randi has asked us to stop interacting with him - we've received his application. It was delayed in the mail."
- skeptic posts "Remember: the JREF forum is not part of the JREF"
This is a typical interaction between pseudoskeptics and non-skeptics. This type of experience leads the public to believe that actual skeptics are crackpots who do superficial confirmation-seeking research to reinforce their a priori beliefs, and love to lob insults.
I'm not sure I can say they're wrong.
And here we have an outsider (the author who wrote the article linked in the OP) who's gone through the trouble of putting his views in writing, and our response is to reject it as 'wrong'. It should be setting off alarm bells! But no, we're happy being misunderstood, apparently.