Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

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Powa said:
Oh great. Now Christophera is going to claim that he received death threats on this forum.
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Just a quote from a song, part of an underlying theme of this long and undying saga of one persons journey into neverneverland.

I heard it so often going to work and listening to oldies rock it's tatooed on my mind.

If someone takes offense at old rock lyrics........
 
Brainache said:
I've just nominated that post for The Language Award. One of my favourite songs. Neil Innes is an absolute genius. Love your work bonavada.
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TYVM.........<blush> though technically not original so i don't deserve any accolades.........

just a quiet sunday afternoon so i thought i'd relieve the boredom here. fed up dissecting christopheras rancid tripe i decided to try something more creative with nero vision express.

you're right about neil innes, always liked his stuff, especially with the pythons. i read that the bonzo's have reunited and are touring the UK. if they come down this way i may catch them up.

there's lots more of the neil/bonzo stuff etc available HERE

ATB

BV
 
Powa said:
Oh great. Now Christophera is going to claim that he received death threats on this forum.
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Well I did not post it to Chris, Just a part of an underlying theme in this undying thread.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
heres a documentary on the construction of the towers that talks abour steel core columns, no concrete though

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4334991174539603857

heres a screenshot of the core:

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Can you explain why there are no core columns seen in this image if your image shows the true core? Both the other core floor plans show at least one where the stairwell is. And what is the APROX. 17 foot wide gray area?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3553&stc=1&d=1160928237
 

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Looking at chris's page there and the last photo, i've realised that in photo after photo of the collapses at different stages there is lots of bits of the steelwork from the core visibly still standing out of the dust cloud and well above the point of collapse for a few moments. Correct me if i'm wrong here but in a controlled demolition don't they ensure that they take out the main load bearing parts of the structure?
Also on a slightly different note, i've read on various occasions that the 'indestructable' core should've been left standing in a 'natural' gravity driven collapse but as far as i know, constructing the core to stand on it's own (never mind the chaos of the collapse around it) would be a complete waste, it would've been designed to be stable and load bearing as long as the rest of the structure remained relatively intact.
 
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@Chris:

There were no explosives in these buildings.
Its just that simple.
 
alexi_drago said:
I'm a bit confused by what's going on so I might be way off track here but in that b/w image, the tower on the right is obviously nearer to completion than the one on the left so wouldn't it make sense that the steel core would have more drywall fixed to it (as in once the main structure is complete then do the non structural internal stuff)?
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Indeed Alexi, as I pointed out a few chapters back, the one on the right is beside the point. The one Chris ignores, on the left, has no such walls, it's bare naked steel. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH IT! Chris take that photo and please annotate a concrete wall matching your putative one.

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alexg said:
Indeed Alexi, as I pointed out a few chapters back, the one on the right is beside the point. The one Chris ignores, on the left, has no such walls, it's bare naked steel. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH IT! Chris take that photo and please annotate a concrete wall matching your putative one.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/1183545299e080f50d.jpg[/qimg]
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*lol* You seem to be a newbie to this thread. Chris gives a Uck about any evidence we show him.
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alexg said:
Indeed Alexi, as I pointed out a few chapters back, the one on the right is beside the point. The one Chris ignores, on the left, has no such walls, it's bare naked steel. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH IT! Chris take that photo and please annotate a concrete wall matching your putative one.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/1183545299e080f50d.jpg
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Hi Alexg, I posted that picture in this thread over a hundred pages ago. I needed to make some adjustments though, just to get his attention. I think we're actually debating a goldfish here so I'll post it again, and see if I get the same reaction.

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alexg said:
Indeed Alexi, as I pointed out a few chapters back, the one on the right is beside the point. The one Chris ignores, on the left, has no such walls, it's bare naked steel. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH IT! Chris take that photo and please annotate a concrete wall matching your putative one.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/1183545299e080f50d.jpg
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Hey Alexg, I got another idea; maybe the concrete wall had a mural of the background painted on it. Ha, bet you never thought of that one did you?

I'm with you Chris "to infinity and beyond."
 
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alexi_drago said:
Looking at chris's page there and the last photo, i've realised that in photo after photo of the collapses at different stages there is lots of bits of the steelwork from the core visibly still standing out of the dust cloud and well above the point of collapse for a few moments. Correct me if i'm wrong here but in a controlled demolition don't they ensure that they take out the main load bearing parts of the structure?
Also on a slightly different note, i've read on various occasions that the 'indestructable' core should've been left standing in a 'natural' gravity driven collapse but as far as i know, constructing the core to stand on it's own (never mind the chaos of the collapse around it) would be a complete waste, it would've been designed to be stable and load bearing as long as the rest of the structure remained relatively intact.
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According to Chris the concrete floors and the supposed concrete core were laced with c4 at the time of construction. (yes, in late 60's). They were detonated seperately in such a way that the upper core and the floors went off first which caused all but the lower core to come down. The lower core blew separately after the rest was down. Here is his idea (the rectangular cloud on the right) of the concrete core of the S. tower.
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Duck! It's about to blow! An explosion he cannot show a trace of evidence for. As if that stand of 'core' we see in Chris's picture could have blown up without anyone noticing!

This is his idea of that separtae explosion of the core for the other (north) tower.
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Ha! It is obviously the tail end of the collapse of the N. Tower. And the 'upward explosion' Chris claims is of course the plume of the collapse. As any video of the collapse will show.
 
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Shrinker said:
Hi Alexg, I posted that picture in this thread over a hundred pages ago. I needed to make some adjustments though, just to get his attention. I think we're actually debating a goldfish here so I'll post it again, and see if I get the same reaction.

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I wish you'd be a bit more direct, Shrinker, I am getting tired of you pussyfooting around, quite frankly :D
 
stateofgrace said:
Hey Alexg, I got another idea; maybe the concrete wall had a mural of the background painted on it. Ha, bet you never thought of that one did you?

I'm with you Chris "to infinity and beyond."
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We have nothing to lose but the bandwith.
 
Ohh right, C4 hidden in the concrete, it's so obvious. Just a couple of questions though (although they've probably been asked before):

Why was it put there in the first place, was 9/11 planned back then?

Were the trigger mechanisms already in place, I can't imagine anyone really wanting the job of drilling or cutting into C4 filled concrete so did all the people working during the construction and fitting of the buildings accept this strange wiring or whatever going into the concrete without question? (concrete workers, steel fixers, electricians, plumbers, joiners etc. that have probably worked in their field for most of their working life and never seen anything like that before)

And finally, is there any proof of this whatsoever?
 
hey christophera.
did you read this post:-

HERE


firstly i believe mike pecararo's story to be honest and truthful (and evidently so must you) however the quotes you use are carefully and cynically cherry-picked..
a study of the WHOLE story of what mike witnessed on 9/11 makes it obvious to me that your claim that there was a controlled explosion in the basement is just no more than total, utter bolloxology.

please address the questions below:-

firstly, how in the name of hell did mike pecararo and his mate find a firedoor, lying "wrinkled" on the floor 1 LEVEL ABOVE level C (1 level below the lobby) blasted INWARDS and TOWARD the area BELOW? mike pecararo encountered the door then WALKED THROUGH THE OPEN DOORWAY to continue the ascent to the lobby. was this door SUCKED off it's hinges by your C4rebar explosions BELOW in level C? don't forget, on the whole journey upwards from the sub-levels to the lobby mike's account refers to no explosions (except the one his boss reported on the phone shortly after the flickering lights) this is extremely relevant. the obvious reasoning is to conclude that the only explosion happened ABOVE the level mike first saw the rubble and smoke. how does this conclusion fit in with your "explosions in the basement" theory?

also, why did you not include quotes about the smell of kerosene mike talks about? this might have blunted the arrowhead of your daft theory right? isn't kerosene that funny stuff they pump into jetliners? the stuff that many people reported exploded down the elevator shafts? burning and blasting everything in it's path? you sorta missed that one chris. or is it that you can't let that get in the way of yet another of your potty fantasies huh?

lastly, where in that story does mike mention "floating pulverised concrete dust air particles"? i only notice he saw a "perfect line of SMOKE streaming through the air" only if he raised his head high enough was he unable to breathe. he says nothing about DUST. how did you deduce from his recollections that that SMOKE was the result of anything other than something burning?

these are just a few of the glaring discrepancies on your site. your version of events in the WTC1 basement are based on highly flawed logic. in fact i'd go as far as to say they are dowright lies. i think your abuse of the testament of this brave man is crass and offensive. it shows a cynical malicious disregard of plain, simple facts about what happened there.
either that or you are just insane. either way you need to sit back and think about your motives for trying to propagate these wacked-out exhausted theories that seem so dear to you.

get some help before the men in the white coats come and knock your door.

BV
 
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