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Leslie Raphael's (Public) Conveniences

"pretty simple," "just routine" (Chief Joseph Pfeifer)

"you don't think much of it" (Joe Casaliggi)

"just odor of gas, Lispenard & Church" (Capt. Dennis Tardio)

"the call was for a gas leak in the street, or an odor of gas, I think it was" (Nick Borrillo)


Ray, do you know what context is? They thought an odour of gas call out was "just routine" and "don't think much of it" because two hours later the two tallest buildings in New York had totally collapsed AFTER HAVING FRIKKEN AIRLINERS FLOWN INTO THEM!

In comparison with what was to come, an odour of gas callout WAS routine and not much to think of.

-Andrew
 
They thought an odour of gas call out was "just routine" and "don't think much of it" because two hours later the two tallest buildings in New York had totally collapsed AFTER HAVING FRIKKEN AIRLINERS FLOWN INTO THEM!

No, they said that even before 8:46 they didn't consider the gas call a big deal. Watch the movie and see the context for yourself. Watch them step right out onto the grate where the alleged odor of alleged gas is rising from. Watch them stick their faces over that grate too.
http://911foreknowledge.com/odorofgas.htm


Les Raphael has a valid point in noting that the NYC Father's Day 2001 gas leak fire which killed FDNY members is suspiciously absent from the Naudet movie, which purports to have started filming that same month. If they had mentioned that explosion-fire, they would not have been able to get away with pretending that they rode to the 9/11 alleged odor of alleged gas with 'no big deal' and 'routineness' dominating their thoughts like they claim.

The wider point is that the Alleged Odor of Alleged Gas is a PLOT DEVICE. It is merely a CATALYST, something which facilitates the REAL plot -- getting the 1st Hit on camera -- but does not undergo any change itself.

The movie never tells us whether there really was a gas leak or not. It never tells us how that call resolved. We are not supposed to wonder. We are just supposed to trust that such a call really was placed, and then be awestruck at the footage of how the attacks started.


Ray Ubinger
 
The movie never tells us whether there really was a gas leak or not. It never tells us how that call resolved. We are not supposed to wonder. We are just supposed to trust that such a call really was placed, and then be awestruck at the footage of how the attacks started.

Ray Ubinger

That "call resolved" when flight 11 hit the north tower, you creep.
 
Hmmm. Last posting August. Now half past Oct. Hmmm. 45 day supply of meds, runs out the week after the full moon. . .

RAY!
 
Hmmm. Last posting August. Now half past Oct. Hmmm. 45 day supply of meds, runs out the week after the full moon. . .

RAY!
Maybe this will hold him over for another month or two.

How about E.M.T. Alexander Loutsky, who saw flight 11 hit, Ray? Lying? http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110151.PDF

How about PAPD P.O. David LeClaire, who saw flight 11 hit, Ray? Lying? http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports01.pdf (pg. 85)

How about E.M.T. Oscar Martinez, who treated a woman with horrible injuries from flight 11's landing gear, Ray? Lying? gear:http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110183.PDF

How about PAPD P.O. Pat McInerney, who saw flight 11 hit, Ray? Lying? http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports02.pdf (pg. 32)

How about Rob Marchesano, Ray? Lying?

"... as the jetliner buzzed toward Lower Manhattan. Rob Marchesano, a construction foreman, was working at a site at La Guardia Street and West Third. He heard a roar overhead, and saw a plane flying by, low and fast and at an angle that at first made him fear that it would hit his crane. He and his co-workers watched in astonishment and then horror as the plane approached the North Tower of the World Trade Center. He noticed that the plane seemed to tilt at the last second, as though someone wanted the wings to take out as many floors as possible." http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A38407-2001Sep15

How about Ezra Aviles, Ray? Lying?

"Ezra Aviles was in the north tower and saw flight 11 approach:
From a window on the 61st floor in the north tower, Ezra Aviles had seen everything. He knew it was no bomb. His window faced north, and he saw the plane tearing through the skies, heading straight for the tower. It had crashed into the building over his head-how far, he was not sure. In fact, its lower wing cut the ceiling of the 93rd floor, and its right wing had ripped across the 98th floor, at the very moment that Patricia Massari was speaking to her husband about her home pregnancy test.

Aviles worked for the Port Authority. He dialed five numbers, leaving identical messages, describing what he saw, and telling everyone up the chain of command to begin the evacuation. He called one colleague, John Paczkowski, but reached his voice mail. "It seems to be an American Airlines jetliner came in from the northern direction, toward-from the Empire State Building, toward us," Aviles said. He ticked through a list of notifications-he had called the police and the public affairs office, and had beeped the chief operating officer for the agency. "Smoke is beginning to come, so I think I'm gonna start bailing outta here, man.... Don't come near the building if you're outside. Pieces are coming down, man. Bye." http://tinyurl.com/f4efr

How about Michael Scott, Ray? Lying?

"In the Port Authority Office of Public Safety, Assistant Director Michael Scott received one of Aviles’ calls:

I received a telephone call from my good friend Ezra Aviles of the Office of Policy & Planning who said an aircraft had just struck the North Tower at a location above his office which was located on the north side of the 61st floor. In our discussion he was very calm and stated he saw the logo on the aircraft (American Airlines) as it approached the building. In further dialog it became clear that this was not a small commercial aircraft but a full size passenger aircraft. He stated he was contacting me to notify Public Safety officially and would make a few other calls, depart the tower and come over to the PATC “to help us out.” http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports01.pdf Page 2

Take your sick act elsewhere, creep.
 
Still jumping at shadows, Ray?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/17949p-17009c.html

According to Dr. Charles Hirsch, New York's chief medical examiner:

The 1,401 people identified include 45 of those aboard the hijacked planes - 33 from Flight 11, which struck the north tower, and 12 from Flight 175, which hit the south tower.

Using DNA alone, 673 people were identified. Using dental records only, 187 were identified; fingerprints only, 71; photo identification, 16; miscellaneous X-rays, 45.


This article lists many of the Forensic organisations and their directors who identified the victims:
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0906_dna_ids.htm

Are all of them lying?
 
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No, they said that even before 8:46 they didn't consider the gas call a big deal. Watch the movie and see the context for yourself. Watch them step right out onto the grate where the alleged odor of alleged gas is rising from. Watch them stick their faces over that grate too.
http://911foreknowledge.com/odorofgas.htm

Les Raphael has a valid point in noting that the NYC Father's Day 2001 gas leak fire which killed FDNY members is suspiciously absent from the Naudet movie, which purports to have started filming that same month. If they had mentioned that explosion-fire, they would not have been able to get away with pretending that they rode to the 9/11 alleged odor of alleged gas with 'no big deal' and 'routineness' dominating their thoughts like they claim.

The wider point is that the Alleged Odor of Alleged Gas is a PLOT DEVICE. It is merely a CATALYST, something which facilitates the REAL plot -- getting the 1st Hit on camera -- but does not undergo any change itself.

Do you have any idea how many calls fire departments get about suspected gas leaks? I live in a town of about 50,000 people, and there was a front page story in the local paper this week about the fire department being called to investigate gas leaks. The fire chief said they get 50-60 calls a month. And in the last year, not one of those calls has actually been a gas leak.

Now, I have no idea if it's the same in NYC, but I suspect that it is. No wonder the firefighters weren't worried about the gas leak. Calls about potential gas leaks ARE routine and common.
 
Les Raphael has a valid point in noting that the NYC Father's Day 2001 gas leak fire which killed FDNY members is suspiciously absent from the Naudet movie, which purports to have started filming that same month. If they had mentioned that explosion-fire, they would not have been able to get away with pretending that they rode to the 9/11 alleged odor of alleged gas with 'no big deal' and 'routineness' dominating their thoughts like they claim. . .

One little problem.

The "father's day" fire was not a gas leak, it was: The fire origin was a flammable liquid - gasoline that was accidentally spilled outside the rear security door of the cellar.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/fire/pdfs/face200123.pdf

Gotta read what's there Ray, not make it up in your head. Busy place in there? Monday the mail man will bring the Pharmaceuticals.
 
The "father's day" fire was not a gas leak, it was: The fire origin was a flammable liquid - gasoline that was accidentally spilled outside the rear security door of the cellar.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/fire/pdfs/face200123.pdf

Gotta read what's there Ray
Take your own advice; Page 3 at your link says that the store had 178 cylinders variously of natural gas (tradename MAPP), propane and oxygen.

Les Raphael's argument makes sense to me that the Naudets had to ignore the Father's Day 2001 fatal gas explosion because otherwise they could not have the firemen be nonchalant about the Alleged Odor of Alleged Gas at Church-Lispenard at 8:30 on 9/11.

They needed to make Church-Lispenard a nonchalant call because it was to serve as just a plot catalyst. Something which would enable Jules Naudet's 1st Hit footage, and which would thus bring on our the audience's witnessing of the attacks, but which would not undergo change in its own right. We are deliberately left NOT wondering what became of the alleged odor of alleged gas. They downplay it because its only function was as an excuse for that cameraman to be there in view of that face of that Tower at that time.


Ray Ubinger
 
Calls about potential gas leaks ARE routine and common.
They are potentially LETHALLY EXPLOSIVE. This is common knowledge, not an esoteric point from some specialized FDNY Battalion Chief training course. So why is the FDNY Battalion Chief in the Naudet video stepping directly out onto the street grate which is the supposed source of the suspected gas odor, and why is he wearing only his garrison uniform, not his protective outergear?
http://911foreknowledge.com/odorofgas.htm
Is that standard operating procedure?


Ray Ubinger
 
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They are potentially LETHALLY EXPLOSIVE. This is common knowledge, not an esoteric point from some specialized FDNY Battalion Chief training course. So why is the FDNY Battalion Chief in the Naudet video stepping directly out onto the street grate which is the supposed source of the suspected gas odor, and why is he wearing only his garrison uniform, not his protective outergear? Is that standard operating procedure?


Ray Ubinger
Based on what the rep from PeoplesEnergy was wearing when they came out to address a gas leak in my basement two weeks ago, yeah, it probably is SOP.
 
Ray Ubinger said:
The movie never tells us whether there really was a gas leak or not. It never tells us how that call resolved. We are not supposed to wonder. We are just supposed to trust that such a call really was placed, and then be awestruck at the footage of how the attacks started
That "call resolved" when flight 11 hit the north tower
Resolved how? How do crashes of alleged planes make gas stop leaking?

No Flight 11 was on the Logan Airport schedule that day, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics database as recently as 2005.


Ray Ubinger
 
Ray Ubinger said:
They are potentially LETHALLY EXPLOSIVE. This is common knowledge, not an esoteric point from some specialized FDNY Battalion Chief training course. So why is the FDNY Battalion Chief in the Naudet video stepping directly out onto the street grate which is the supposed source of the suspected gas odor, and why is he wearing only his garrison uniform, not his protective outergear? Is that standard operating procedure?
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Based on what the rep from PeoplesEnergy was wearing when they came out to address a gas leak in my basement two weeks ago, yeah, it probably is SOP.
Do tell. What "was" "they," "the rep," wearing?

Had PeoplesEnergy just lost three veterans in a gaseous explosion, less than three months before coming to your basement?

Do you dispute that suspected gas leaks are potentially lethally explosive?


Ray Ubinger
 
Regarding
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
These people "react" at different times, and what do the other 10+ people do when, as you say, an ENORMOUS explosion happens three blocks away?
Why, they don't react at all. Not even a flinch.
The whole slow-motion snippet is only about half a second in real time. It is not reasonable to expect every pedestrian's reaction to have occurred exactly simultaneously.

Please seek professional mental health care
The very first shrink I talked to about this (a board-certified, Duke-trained M.D.) became convinced I'm onto something within one day of scrutinizing it himself.


Ray Ubinger
 
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I account for the squarish white blobs in the middle of the street at
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
as window reflections. In answering why they're not patches of Dust, I wrote:
Ray Ubinger said:
I see a guy walking right through one in the Naudet dvd, and not kicking up any dust. It's in an as-yet unexcerpted scene, but a screenshot of it forms the bottom half of Marcus Icke's comparison pair
naudetreactionmurray2qo.jpg

Then Andrew Gumboot wrote:
I would like to see this moment where a man walks through the light patches. I couldn't find it in their film. Perhaps you can guide me in the right direction? Upon a brief glance at this footage I will be able to tell you if it is a reflection or not.
We have a PARTIAL vid excerpt of that scene; the bad news, it's cut off at the bottom, for the sake of memory/runspeed, where his feet are touching the ground. Inconclusive as it might be, please try FIRST EXCERPT (CLICK TO PLAY IT) at
http://911foreknowledge.com/debris/constructiondebris.htm

The stronger argument that they're not Dust patches is to remember how dusty the Dust really was, that close (3-4 blocks) to WTC. Here from that same intersection (known Church-Murray location of alleged 2nd "plane" debris) is a screenshot from Tim Canale's VCR footage:
http://911foreknowledge.com/debris/peopleindust3.jpg

The squarish-white-blob scenes, therefore, are clearly pre-Demolition.


Ray Ubinger
 
Regarding
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm

The whole slow-motion snippet is only about half a second in real time. It is not reasonable to expect every pedestrian's reaction to have occurred exactly simultaneously.


The very first shrink I talked to about this (a board-certified, Duke-trained M.D.) became convinced I'm onto something within one day of scrutinizing it himself.


Ray Ubinger

Ever heard the saying "don't treat the symptoms, treat the disease"?
 
Holy crap. Talk about zombies coming back to life!

This thing lay dead for over six months, and someone had to resurrect it?
Why?
 
Regarding
http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/tonysore.htm
gumboot said:
I don't care about them flipping shots, at all. I don't care if they flipped every shot in the entire film.
Do you care if they constructed an elaborate lie about a gravely serious matter, in faking their own subject's attendance at a funeral?

That's what I'm saying the PURPOSE of the mirror-imaged shot was. Not artistic license, but deliberate cover-up of an act of gross fakery.

It was not random. They HAD to do the flip, because they ACCIDENTALLY filmed the truck at the FAKE funeral (the "funeral" shots which Tony DOES appear in) DRIVING THE WRONG WAY.

Then, upon noticing their error in the editing room, it was obviously much easier to do a mirror-image than to reconstruct the whole staged shot.

Unfortunately for them, Tony had a distinctive wound on one of his cheeks, which betrayed the mirror-image by changing cheeks.

If they had NOT done the flip, the funeral procession would have appeared to have suddenly REVERSED DIRECTION. Funeral processions don't really do that, and the Naudets knew that we know that, so they covered up their error.

Going hand-in-hand with this is the fact that there is independently a separate snippet of video evidence showing that Tony wasn't really there: they deceptively SPLICED HIM INTO THE FORMATION during a blurry-fast pan-left:
http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/crowd.htm


Ray Ubinger
Durham NC USA
http://911foreknowledge.com
exposing the Naudet-FDNY snuff film since 2004
 
Ray Ubinger said:
Regarding
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
Gravy said:
These people "react" at different times, and what do the other 10+ people do when, as you say, an ENORMOUS explosion happens three blocks away?
Why, they don't react at all. Not even a flinch.
The whole slow-motion snippet is only about half a second in real time. It is not reasonable to expect every pedestrian's reaction to have occurred exactly simultaneously.
Please seek professional mental health care
The very first shrink I talked to about this (a board-certified, Duke-trained M.D.) became convinced I'm onto something within one day of scrutinizing it himself.

Ever heard the saying "don't treat the symptoms, treat the disease"?
I'm not sure. Feel free to elaborate. Do you agree it's not reasonable to expect all 13+ pedestrians' reactions to have started within less than one second of one another?


Ray Ubinger
 
Holy crap. Talk about zombies coming back to life!

This thing lay dead for over six months, and someone had to resurrect it?
Why?

Hmmm. From Flame Warriors:

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Necromancer has a supernatural ability to bring long-dead forum discussion threads back to life. After having been flogged to death the thread may have been deceased for many years, and bringing it back may have scant relevance to the current topic, yet Necromancer will unexpectedly exhume the thread’s rotting corpse, and strike horror in the forum as its grotesque form lurches into the discussion. The monster, instantly recognized by all who knew it in life, seems at first to breathe and have a pulse, but, alas, it is beyond Necromancer’s skill to fully restore the thread’s original vitality. The hideous apparition may frighten away some of the weaker Warriors or Warriors badly wounded in former battles, but the thread is only a shadow of its former self and very quickly expires.

Unlike Archivist, who compulsively saves every forum message in carefully preserved archives for future use in battle, Necromancer collects departed threads merely for the thrill of resurrecting them. Some say he performs this unnatural act out of malice, others say he can’t help himself, but no one really knows.
 

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