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John Lennon's death

I was 18 at the time, in university, and I remember the radio being on and the exact words spoken, "John Lennon has been shot ... and killed" and I remember being blown away by the last two words, which I didn't expect at all. I wasn't a huge Lennon or Beatles fan at the time, but I was stunned and shocked by it nonetheless. I remember the shock and unexpected angst I felt, and I remember the exact location that I was at when I heard it. Funny how that works, even when you're not a big fan.

And as I said above, if piggy's story is accurate, I'll gladly modify my opinion of his story. But, you know, it was 25 years ago, so describing it today as "I remember the day it happened" and talking about it as though it was morning still sounds wrong to me, since the then 13 year old is now almost 40. But I take your point that a then 13 year old might not have heard about it until the next morning.

If it’s true, I will gladly apologize for being skeptical of it, but it just didn't ring true to me at first blush. Perhaps I'm just so used to people making things up so often (happens every day in my line of work) that I have a hard time believing bouncy tales at first blush.


Hell, I remember when the news was in the Swedish papers, and I was 4 years old. The only reason I remember it at all is probably because that was the first time I saw dad cry. I don't find the piggy story strange at all.
 
Why would the CIA want to kill John Lennon? He was funding a dangerous radical leftist group. He was very popular and considered by the FBI and Intel in general as subversive. They shut him up and blamed it on that bastard.

kc440
Oooooh, do Biggie and Tupac!
 
Just asking because it seemed odd to me that you'd describe this as something that happened in the morning (showering, going to school, etc.) unless you were in another time zone, since it happened in the evening in NY, not in the morning.

I guess you just didn't hear about it until the next day, despite the fact that you and your friends were all "total beatles freaks" and despite the fact that this was so well known, apparently, in your elementary school that a teacher would approach you, at what, age 12 or 13, and say "I'm sorry" in the hallway.
I was 14 -- no, 13... my birthday was 4 days away -- out of elementary school (which was grades 1-6 for us). My brother was 15, and already working after school.

John was killed at about 11:00 Monday night. By the time it hit the news wires, we would have been in bed.

My brother heard it on the radio the next morning while I was in the shower, and he came and told me.

Of course it was all over the news. Anyone who listened to the radio or turned on the TV or saw a paper that morning knew about it. Obviously, Mrs. Stein heard about it and, knowing how much of an influence the Beatles' music was having on me at the time, understood that it was going to be shocking and sad for me.

So yes, despite the fact that all this is exactly what you'd expect to happen, it actually happened.
 
I just found the site. Here's the link. Scroll down till you see red letters saying, Who Really Killed John Lennon? I had a hard time finding the site. :mad:

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/lennon_report.htm
You seemed to have missed the word "credible". Regarding the specific claims concerning the positions of John and Chapman at the time of the crime, and the entry and exit of the bullets, please provide some credible verification.

Thanks.
 
Sure, okay, the kid might have gone to bed early. (But the timing issue you raise is a bit suspect - the news hit Speedbump, Ontario, Canada, pretty quickly and I can't imagine that it didn't hit Speedbump - insert city, state, whatever, here- equally quickly)
I don't recall when I went to bed, because there's no reason to remember. But at 13/14, it was probably before 11:00 PM. And even if I'd gone to bed later, I would not have been watching TV or listening to radio that late in my house, so I would not have heard the news breaks anyway. Even if some of my friends had heard, they would not have called that late at night.

Still, the whole story sounds suspect to me. Just my opinion, obviously. But an elementary school teacher seeing a kid in the morning and immediately saying "I'm sorry" because the teacher knows that the kid is a John Lennon fan ~ sorry, it sounds strange to me.
ETA: This next bit penned before reading Lash's later post, so add salt.

Don't you just love conspiracy theorists? Anything not 100% bona fide common that is presented on the other side is suspect ("You were wearing an orange shirt? Why would you do that? Sounds very unlikely. Wouldn't blue have been more popular?") while the most outrageous speculation on their side is worthy of consideration because, who knows, it might be possible.

Mrs. Stein was an English teacher. In that town, my teachers tended to take a special interest in me, especially the language teachers, because I excelled in their courses. Even in grade 6 I would jot Beatles' lyrics in the corners of my quizzes, and in 7th grade carved "Do what you want to do and go where you're going to" in a desk. I don't remember any specifics -- because they would not have been important or unusual enough to remember -- but in an English class, I had by that time (the end of the first term) certainly cited the Beatles. And Mrs. Stein knew me as a person, too, not just a student. She was a great teacher, and she understood how to encourage a kid's love of language, whatever form it was taking.

For an English teacher in a small town to know that one of her best students was a Beatles freak, and for that teacher to say something compassionate to him on the morning when Lennon's death was being reported everywhere -- there's nothing silly or bouncy about it.

Again, despite this being exactly what you would expect, it did actually happen.
 
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On the night John Lennon was killed, the same Jose Perdomos was a special security guard assigned to aid Lennon in entering the Dakota, where he lived. Sometimes Lennon would be mobbed.
Lennon did not have a "special security guard" assigned to him. Jose Perdomo – not "Perdomos" – was the Dakota's front doorman.

So on the night John Lennon was killed, Perdomos didn't do his job for Lennon. When Lennon was shot, Perdomos was said to ask the creep, "Do you know what you did?"
Perdomo was not a bodyguard. By the way, the "creep's" name is Mark David Chapman, who had traveled to NYC previously to kill Lennon but didn't go through with it.

One Lennon website says the creep didn't shoot at Lennon at all. Lennon's autopsy reveals he was shot from the left side. I believe 4 bullets entered his body. The creep was on the right side of the entrance. This was the work of the CIA. They had a man hiding in the darkened entranceway or darkened freight elevator. That's how Lennon was shot.
Lennon was shot in the back and shoulder by Chapman, who then sat down on the sidewalk and read "Catcher in the Rye" until the police came.

I just found the site. Here's the link. Scroll down till you see red letters saying, Who Really Killed John Lennon? I had a hard time finding the site. :mad:

http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/lennon_report.htm

kc440
"Hard time finding the site?" Google "Lennon assassination." The site is the second link that comes up. From the first paragraph on the site:
...It is difficult to criticize the official explanation of what happened to John Lennon because a universally accepted version does not exist. There was no trial, no testimonies, no witnesses.
No witnesses? Um, Yoko? No trial? Chapman was caught redhanded and happily confessed. The gun was his. He got the fame he wished for.

kc440 is the one who thinks that nuclear weapons and depleted uranium were involved in the destruction of the Twin Towers. I can't figure out of he's a troll, is really young and naive, or is...well, I don't want to speculate further. It's depressing.
 
And as I said above, if piggy's story is accurate, I'll gladly modify my opinion of his story. But, you know, it was 25 years ago, so describing it today as "I remember the day it happened" and talking about it as though it was morning still sounds wrong to me, since the then 13 year old is now almost 40. But I take your point that a then 13 year old might not have heard about it until the next morning.

If it’s true, I will gladly apologize for being skeptical of it

No need to apologize for skepticism around here. :)

I responded to the earlier posts without reading thru the thread -- usually not a good idea, so my apologies for that.

You're right, I should have said "the day after" or "when I heard" or something like that.

There are some events which make you hyper-aware, which fix your attention. I don't recall all the details, but some of them are still vivid. When my brother told me, I was putting on socks. (I used to take my clothes into the bathroom, shower, dry off, and dress in there.)

As it happened, the Beatles were very important to me then. My oldest brother was 10 years older. My best friend Mike had a brother who was 11 years older. I first really listened to the Beatles in my brother's Mustang, on 8 track. He'd play '62-66 and '67-70 when we rode with him.

So that was our introduction to rock and roll. Our brothers' Beatles records were the first ones we started listening to, before we moved on to Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd (my most enduring musical passion), and Jethro Tull. As was (and I reckon still is) usual for boys that age, we started trying to learn guitar. We learned Beatles' lyrics and wrote our own songs. It was one of those things that held us together, like punk would be soon afterward for me and another group of friends.

I started writing poetry at 10 years old, after Randall Jarrell's "The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner" showed me that poems could be powerful things. By the time I was 13, Lennon had already had a profound effect on my writing -- I recall one poem that was a response to "Across the Universe".

Btw, the reason I recall carving the Harrison lyric into a desk was that, well first of all it was the first time I'd vandalized anything, but more importantly the next day (or perhaps a few days later) someone carved something totally stupid in response. It fed my budding teen arrogance, and was confirmation that the rest of the kids in that town were a pack of Phillistines and to hell with them. But us... we knew what was what and what was good and what had value.

I still have a couple of full-page drawings I did after Lennon's murder (from my Magritte-inspired surrealist phase) -- one was a watch (my own wristwatch) stopped at the day and time of his murder, with pieces of the face shattered out and other scenes showing through, and the words "Stupid Bloody Monday" written across it (yes, typical juvenile stuff); the other was an abstract of his face, with trademark hair and glasses, composed of objects.

All of which is to say... my reaction at the time, and my memory of it, really aren't unusual at all.
 
Funny, but I had a very similar experience to Piggy’s the day after John Lennon was killed. I was in 9th grade at the time and was a John Lennon fan. Now that might seem strange because of my age, but there is a good explanation for that. I am the youngest of four children in my family. There is a 16 year spread between me and my oldest sister and she was a huge Beatles fan. She had moved out by the time I started really getting into music and I had all of her albums to listen to in my formative years. Everyone was well aware that I was a Beatle fan.
One difference was I happen to have been awake at the time when they announced that John Lennon had been shot. I stayed up all night listening and recording the radio.
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Come on guys, don't you find it suspiscious that someone would shoot Lennon 6 times and not once turn on Yoko Ono?

Just asking questions.


Also, Chapman was just recently denied parole again.
 
Come on guys, don't you find it suspiscious that someone would shoot Lennon 6 times and not once turn on Yoko Ono?
This was part of his plan, to support an insanity defense.
 
I didn't like Double Fnatasy much, thought it was a workmanlike album and not worthy of Lenon at his best. I was leaving Edinburgh to travel home to Fraserburgh for the Christmas Holidays from university and I went in to the science fiction bookshop that was then on West Cross Causeway. I heard one of the members of staff say the John lenon was dead to another customer. I didn't think anything of it though - I assumed it was a comment on the work done on "Double Fantasy" and not anything that had realy happened. Thus it was only when I got to the railway station and saw the evening newspapers with news of his shooting that I realised Lenon was really dead.
 
For those of us who were a little older than Piggy, the news came from, of all places, Monday Night Football and Howard Cosell.

Hey, KC, can you work Lyman Bostock into a conspiracy theory?
 
The Lennon Killing

The man who wrote that site about Lennon's death, I've been warned, is not too stable and evidently hates Jews. This, for me, is unfortunate. But that Jose Perdomo(s?) was a Cuban Exile who managed to survive the Bay of Pigs and was John Lennon's doorman that night is the truth. The man whose name I mentioned assured me of this, but told me not to trust anything else the guy says because he's not playing with a full deck and is a racist bastard.

I had a hard time finding the site because I knew its name was something like jfk.Montreal; so was looking first for JFK sites. I say this to answer someone's criticism of me having a hard time finding the site. I will try to find out more about Jose Perdomo(s?). He's probably dead.

kc440
 
I didn't like Double Fnatasy much, thought it was a workmanlike album and not worthy of Lenon at his best. I was leaving Edinburgh to travel home to Fraserburgh for the Christmas Holidays from university and I went in to the science fiction bookshop that was then on West Cross Causeway. I heard one of the members of staff say the John lenon was dead to another customer. I didn't think anything of it though - I assumed it was a comment on the work done on "Double Fantasy" and not anything that had realy happened. Thus it was only when I got to the railway station and saw the evening newspapers with news of his shooting that I realised Lenon was really dead.
Parsman, I know you're in a hurry, but is it really necessary to abbreviate "Lennon?" :D
 
Jose Perdomo was the Security Guard that Night -- Coincidence?
As I mentioned before Perdomo was the doorman, which wasn't a big coincidence, since the shooting happened at the Dakota, where Perdomo was the doorman.

If the shooting had happened down the street at the Ansonia and Perdomo was working the front door there, THAT would have been something to investigate, because Perdomo was not the doorman at the Ansonia.

Is any of this sinking in, kc440? That's a serious question.
 
I have found another site which explains Lennon's death and verifies Jose Perdomo was the security guard that night.

http://www.john-lennon.net/whoauthorizedtheassassinationofjohnlennon.htm

Perdomo, under the name San Jenis, was an Anti-Castro Cuban Exile, trained by the CIA. I will try to find more info about him specifically.
That's a great site. They begin their conspiracy theory argument with the observation that the actions of the man who shot John Lennon for no apparent reason... cannot be rationally justified.

Hmmmmm....

Obviously, there's a conspiracy here....
 
I have found another site which explains Lennon's death and verifies Jose Perdomo was the security guard that night.

http://www.john-lennon.net/whoauthorizedtheassassinationofjohnlennon.htm

Perdomo, under the name San Jenis, was an Anti-Castro Cuban Exile, trained by the CIA. I will try to find more info about him specifically.

kc440

First off, your source doesn't strike me as terribly credible. Secondly, it clearly identifies Jose Perdomo as the doorman, not a security guard.

"Jose Perdomo, the outside doorman for the Dakota,"

He's a doorman, not a security guard nor "a special security guard assigned to aid Lennon in entering the Dakota" as you contend in the original OP.
 
As I mentioned before Perdomo was the doorman, which wasn't a big coincidence, since the shooting happened at the Dakota, where Perdomo was the doorman.

If the shooting had happened down the street at the Ansonia and Perdomo was working the front door there, THAT would have been something to investigate, because Perdomo was not the doorman at the Ansonia.

Is any of this sinking in, kc440? That's a serious question.

No, Gravy, I don't understand why it would have been important if Perdomo was a guard at a different building and Lennon got shot there, rather than at the Dakota. :confused:

I have found a better site about Jose Perdomo. I think the conspiracy theory about Lennon's death is growing. These sites didn't exist a year or two ago.

http://forums.lionsgate.com/archive/index.php/t-4084.html

kc440
 

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